Monday, October 17, 2022

Aero Adventure Aventura II, N32856: Fatal accident occurred October 17, 2022 near North Perry Airport (KHWO), Pembroke Pines, Broward County, Florida

Federal Aviation Administration / Flight Standards District Office; South Florida

Aircraft crashed under unknown circumstances into a home off the approach end of the runway.

https://registry.faa.gov/N32856 

Date: 17-OCT-22
Time: 12:41:00Z
Regis#: N32856
Aircraft Make: AERO ADVENTURE
Aircraft Model: ADVENTURA II
Event Type: ACCIDENT
Highest Injury: FATAL
Total Fatal: 2
Flight Crew:  1 Fatal
Pax: 1 Fatal
Aircraft Missing: No
Damage: UNKNOWN
Activity: PERSONAL
Flight Phase: APPROACH (APR)
Operation: 91
City: HOLLYWOOD
State: FLORIDA

Those who may have information that might be relevant to the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) investigation may contact them by email witness@ntsb.gov, and any friends and family who want to contact investigators about the accident should email assistance@ntsb.gov. You can also call the NTSB Response Operations Center at 844-373-9922 or 202-314-6290.


Jordan Hall 



PEMBROKE PINES, Florida – Family members of 32-year-old Jordan Hall mourned the student pilot killed when the plane he and his flight instructor piloted crashed into a Miramar neighborhood Monday.

They spoke to Local 10 News Wednesday.

They said Hall was just five hours away from getting his pilot’s license when the Aero Adventure Aventura II crashed just south of North Perry Airport, killing him and 34-year-old Antony Rolland Yen.

Airport personnel reported that the plane had been undergoing maintenance and had departed on a test flight shortly before it crashed Monday morning.

Investigators believe the plane, classified as an experimental aircraft, was leaking fuel before it went down.

Family members described Hall as an adventure-loving aviator “who loved to fly in life.”

“Life is certainly fragile. We are not promised more than the moment we are given,” Brian Hall, Jordan’s father, said. “He only got 32 years here. I’m thankful for the 32.”

Jordan’s mother recounted the moment she was told the news.

“It was the most horrific call I ever got,” Susan Hall Dotson said. “I was in shock.”

Tristen Hall, Jordan’s sister, described him as “a beautiful man,” whom everyone loved.

Hall’s family, bound together with so much love, is now finding a way to move forward.

“He wouldn’t want us to be sad,” Monika Mitchell, Hall’s sister, said.

But they remembered the son, brother and friend who was an “inspiration.”

“Some people say it was his time,” Hall Dotson said. “It wasn’t his time, but it was the time.”

The family has set up a GoFundMe account to help with expenses.

The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating the crash.


Jordan Hall





MIRAMAR, Florida -- Broward County officials on Tuesday identified the pilot and passenger who were killed when the small plane they were in crashed into a Miramar home, forcing people inside to flee for their lives.

The medical examiner's office identified the victims as Antony R. Yen, 34, and Jordan T. Hall, 32, from West Park. Both were killed at the scene when the single-engine Aventura II aircraft went down around 11:45 a.m. in the yard of a home located in the 2200 block of Jamaica Drive.

The crash scene is located about a half-mile south of North Perry Airport.

The Federal Aviation Administration said in a written statement Monday that two people were on board the craft when it went down. No one on the ground was killed or hurt during the incident.

A spokesperson for Miramar police said several people called 911 to report the downed plane. 

One of them was Manyerenis Moreno who was inside the home with her child when she heard a loud noise.

"An airplane just fell on top of my house," she told 911. A police radio dispatcher also said a "plane was hanging from a house."

"I heard a loud noise and the plane was on top of us," Moreno said Monday. "I thought it was a transformer and so I grabbed my baby. It was a big noise and it was on top of us. I was afraid something was going to come through the roof. I went outside and saw the plane on the roof!"

CBS4's Peter D'Oench caught up with her on Tuesday after a crane removed the plane from the home and it was partially disassembled and taken away. Moreno was able to look at the damage.

"There is a lot of damage everywhere," she said. "I am really sad that everything is damaged and 2 lives are lost inside my house. I saw everything on the floor and you can smell the fuel. It is still on the floor. It is very sad. One moment you lose almost everything. I am very sad but I am ok. We don't  know when we'll be able to go back in because there is no power and damage everywhere."

She said, "We also don't know where we are going to stay, my husband and I and my 2 sons who are 2 years old and 14 years old. We are poor. We stayed at a friend's house last night but tonight I don't know what we are going to do. It was really scary what happened to us."

"We were in the bedroom and I heard a big noise on top of my head and I grabbed my son and went out and much to my surprise saw a plane on top of my house.  I am super grateful that my 2-year-old son and I survived. I am just very emotional about what happened and thank God I am alive and ok."

The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating the crash.

An NTSB investigator began the process of documenting the scene and examining the aircraft. 

Part of their investigation will be to request radar data, weather information, maintenance records and the pilot's medical records. NTSB investigators will also look at the human, machine and environment as the outline of the investigation. 

"The preliminary report, which includes all the factual information learned to date, is expected to publish 15 days after the accident," the NTSB said. 

The NTSB also said that investigations involving fatalities, and other major investigations currently take between 12 and 24 months to complete.






MIRAMAR, Florida (WSVN) - Two people are dead after a plane crashed into a home in a Miramar neighborhood. Both people were on board the plane.

Fire rescue units responded to the scene on 2241 Jamaica Drive, around 11:45 a.m., Monday.

The Aero Adventure Aventura II crashed into the home just south of North Perry Airport and came into contact with power lines over the house, which became tangled around it, complicating rescuer’s access to the cockpit of the plane.

One resident said he saw the crash as it was happening. He said it sounded like the engine failed.

“It went like this,” he said as he gestured downward with his hand. “Right until it– it was high. Then I hear it coming out of the motor, ‘Too, too, too.’ Then I heard the motor shut off.”

Video sent to 7News shows the small plane on the runway just before taking off from the airport.

Neighbors in the area heard a big boom in the morning and then came out to learn what happened.

“We happen to hear the noise, and my wife came outside, and when we came outside we saw the plane sticking out, and our son had called and said it was a plane crash. We asked where. He said, ‘Right there, in the street on the side of Plantation,'” said a resident, “so when we looked down the street, you could see the plane sticking out. We don’t know if anybody was actually inside the house or what because they’re not letting anybody by right now.”

Residents of the neighborhood told 7News a mother and son were inside the home but luckily didn’t get hurt.

“I heard the noise, I grabbed the baby and ran out,” said Manyerenuis Moreno, the homeowner, “and when I got out, I saw the plane on top of the roof.”

Six houses in the area were evacuated as a precaution.

Crews are working to remove the plane from the home as authorities begin to investigate what went wrong.

“In regards to why the plane crashed, what happened, that is an investigation that National Transportation Safety Board [NTSB] will be handling,” said Tania Rues, Miramar Police Spokesperson.

According to Florida Power and Light, 35 people are without power because of the crash.

The Federal Aviation Administration released the following statement that read, “The FAA and National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) will investigate … Neither agency identifies people involved in aircraft accidents. After investigators verify the aircraft registration number at the scene, the FAA will release it (usually on the next business day) on this web page.”

The plane has been covered with a tarp and Moreno said she is still waiting for answers as to how long it will take to remove it.

Fire crews have left the home and told 7News the bodies have been removed from the plane.

The plane is said to stay attached to the home until it is released by NTSB.

As of 4:18 p.m., officials have not released the names of the victims of the crash.








Two men who were on board a small plane were killed when it crashed into a house in Miramar Monday, officials.

The plane went down in the 2200 block of Jamaica Drive, not far from North Perry Airport around 11:40 a.m.

Footage showed the plane crashed into the side of the home with its tail in the air.

Miramar Police spokesperson Tania Rues said two men who were on board the plane were killed at the scene. Their identities haven't been released.

No one who was on the ground or in the home was injured, Rues said.

The resident, Manyerenis Moreno, said she was inside her home with her 2-year-old child when she heard the impact on her roof.

“I was in my bedroom with my baby and I just heard a big noise. I thought it was a transformer but I grabbed the baby and ran out and then from outside I saw the airplane on top of my house. It was really scary," Moreno said. "I was born today again. I would have died right there with my baby. I’m glad that we’re alive."

The plane appeared to have hit some power lines and clipped the roof of another home as it went down. Miramar Fire Rescue officials said crews were turning off power to the home and others nearby.

Broward County Aviation officials confirmed the plane took off from North Perry.

Donovan Russell said he witnessed the plane go down in the neighborhood.

“I saw the plane coming from North Perry Airport. Right up until it was high. Then I hear it coming and the motor started putt-putt-putt. Then I hear no more noise and the motor shut off," Russell said. "The next thing I heard was 'boom.'"

Moreno said her home was damaged but she's grateful she's alive.

"Some damage at the house, the roof and my bedroom and the bathroom closet, but physically we’re fine and we went out on time," she said.

Investigators from the National Transportation Safety Board and Federal Aviation Administration will be looking into the crash.

It appears an engine failure may have happened at a low altitude, experts said.

Luca Bencini, an FAA flight instructor, said its never good in any situation to lose power at a low altitude.

"Shortly after takeoff it potentially had an engine problem and there’s very little options of where to put it down when you are low at that point," Bencini said.

Bencini said over the years the airport and the community have merged together.

“When the airport was initially built at least in the case of North Perry back in the 40s, there’s nobody around and since then modernization and we have the issue that there are a lot of houses around the airport,’ Bencini said.

65 comments:

  1. per flightaware, "powered by the VIKING 110 (2 Cycle)." per Wiki, "The Viking 110 is a 110 hp aircraft engine that was developed from Honda Fit automotive engine components by Viking Aircraft Engines of Edgewater, Florida."

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    1. Seems more an experimental homebuilt than a factory LSA. I am a light sports repairman besides an A&P and I know hands on how much better built and modern LSAs are compared to the derelict certified aircrafts fit for a museum with lawn mower technology as engines, not to mention tightness in parts that would make an stone age hut a paragon of advanced engineering. It is ridiculous this category is so limited to 1320 lb and to 2 seats as most of these aircrafts are modern, capable and safe but limited in their payload and speeds and relinquished to being a "hobby" category.

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    2. Recognize the rare wisdom of limiting by regulation the maximum weight of the LSA aircraft category. Here you have a crash into a zero lot line residential cluster but minimal damage to the home.

      No, the permissible weight of LSA aircraft shouldn't be increased. Bad enough already that an aircraft that can be operated with a drivers license and minimal medical screening put that neighborhood at risk.

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    3. The comment about lawnmower technology is appropriate, but not for the reason you think. Lawnmowers and aircraft actually have similar power requirements...steady power near the maximum output of the engine, in a very narrow rpm range. And reliability. The viking engine is an adapted honda fit. If Honda themselves ever made an aircraft engine, it would look nothing like a fit. 30 years ago, they made an overhead cam water cooled riding mower engine with 2 balance shafts and a timing belt. Not appropriate for the task. Complex, more maintenance, some reliability issues. I know them well, because I'm weird and sort of like them. But sort of stupid to mow grass, Honda dumped them, doesn't support them, and now makes a simple air cooled pushrod v-twin. Much better.
      Cars have to operate at widely varying rpm, and the peak power (about 100hp for the Fit) is much higher than what is usually used. A Fit spends most of its life making 25hp, making 100 every now and then when asked to do so. To ask it to produce almost 100 hp most of the time, as in the viking conversion, is just stupid. And what does the v-tec do? The sole reason for its existence is to accommodate widely varying engine rpm. It is useless complexity, with electronic and hydromechanical controls. No benefit at all when operating at virtually one speed.
      To criticize the truly loose tolerances of aircraft engines (they are!) is ignorant. The looseness is a necessary evil if you want the simplicity and reliability of air cooling to function in widely varying temperatures. Piston to cylinder clearance must be enough to work at max power when it is -20f if you wish to take off in Alaska. Air cooling and pushrods might be old technology, but they are APPROPRIATE technology. Wings, propellers and tires are old, boring things..should we get rid of them.
      I am an engine nut and work on airplanes, motorcycles, and cars. Lycoming and Continentals are sort of boring, but an O-360 is hard to beat if you want a reliable predictable 150 or so hp to spin a prop at the right Rpm. Their efficiency is even in the mid 30% range, which is barely exceeded by any spark ignition engine.
      I would bet that folks at Honda aren't real happy about Fit engines being used for aviation, especially not at the power levels viking suggests, even if they are great car engines. It would be a crap semi truck engine, also.
      Additionally, geared aviation engines are suspect. Even those from lycoming and continental. The Austro diesels and rotaxes have some rigid, unusual maintenance and inspection . requirements. I think, but am not sure, that other gear reductions for car conversions have been troublesome, and none have millions of hours of proven reliability.
      I do think experimental powerplants are interesting, but that doesn't make them superior. Nor do 'tighter tolerences', if just for the sake of saying "my engine is tighter and better".

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    4. Curiously - information I find on efficiency is that the "antique" o-235 is substantially better than a Rotax 914 turbo of similar output. Inherent traits of cylinders of larger displacements generally include lower hp per liter, but higher efficiency. Ship engines are very efficient, and also low hp/liter.
      Within reason, large displacement is a good way to reliably increase power. The 'crude' pushrod design is physically more compact than OHC designs, allowing for more displacement. The little (but OHC) porsche 3.2 liter aircraft engine filled a mooney's cowling just like a big lycoming, but did so with more parts.
      Any new 1 liter sport bike engine equals an O-360 in power (1 liter versus 6 liter) ...So is a yzf-r1 to be trusted to produce 150 hp for 2000 hours? No way- never going to happen.

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    5. After working on Rotax engines you don't know what you are talking about. A 914 is decades ahead in improvements over pushrod antique Ford Model T grade engines used in certified aircrafts, including $1 mil brand new Cirrus. A Corolla or Civic engine can last 8000 hrs at 6000 rpm. Even Lexus made an experiment where one of their engines was revved at 7000 rpm for 20000 hrs and still worked. I have a friend who is both and A&P and car mechanic and he always laments how quality in the aviation world is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE worst than the worst econo-car box. The justifications used are ridiculous at best and deadly at worst since countless pilots die from babysitting antique and outdated overpriced technology that ultimately fails and kills them. When was the last time a mixture control was used on a car? Like 1930s right?

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    6. I have endless praise for both Corollas and Civics both (if you can avoid rust). That doesn't change the fact that the required horsepower for either to cruise at 60 is probably in the neighborhood of 25. Their maximum of say 130 is available at only one high rpm, and at only one throttle position. Wide open, at sea level. Many owners never ever use it at all. I am not one of them, I have a lead foot, but max power usage either results in rapid (for a corolla) acceleration, or high speed. Even a cheapo corolla will give you 115 or 120. They do not live thousands of hours making 130 hp. Your quoted time figures are not realistic. At all. I do have a 405000 mile corolla. That's 9000 hours at 45. (Power needed to go 45=not much.) Do you see that often? I drive it often, so have first hand info of ONE. It is not at all proven by me.
      The Rotax absolutely is decades ahead of the average Lycoming. Just as you said. Decades! One would think that the efficiency would be higher, or the life would be longer. But neither is. What is higher? Yes, the complexity! There is some quote about perfection being achieved not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
      You like the complexity of a turbocharger, liquid cooling,, and gear reduction, but are frightened by the mixture control? I don't find it hard to deal with, and like the control. A constant speed prop is an acceptable complexity for the great benefits, also.
      I have to say, too, that my initial comments were about the adapted Honda car engine, which does seem to have numerous documented failures of the gear reductions and other things. I only mentioned the Rotax regarding efficiency and the required gearbox inspections. They seem decent and were intended for aviation. Rotax themselves would probably not encourage using their 500/560/604 single for any aircraft, adequate peak power or not. (If one could be had without a transmission)
      I have flown a Rotax powered aircraft, a Diamond Katana. Nice. Diamond did chose to replace it with the continental io240..that might be a questionable move, although the 240 has more power and is pretty efficient. Not the best old style a/c engine, though!

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    7. The rotax 914-vs-model t comment- backwards. The 914 does have pushrods- it's basic architecture is similar to a Lycoming.
      The Ford Model T engine does not have pushrods. It is a sidevalve. A flathead. The valve tip is pushed directly by the lifter.
      Enough of this all- the aircraft in question seems to have a Honda adaptation that a witness thinks quit! It probably served well in the car it was designed for.

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    8. The Honda 3813 riding mower was and is still one of the most bullet proof motors ever built so obviously you never owned one, don't be such a blowhard and stick to your Briggs & Stratton technology lol.

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    9. I have 3 4518's, and like them. They are also not for someone who cannot maintain and improvise. They are known to have head gasket, ignition, and parts availability issues. As I said, cool, and I like them, but overly complex, and do mow no better than a Briggs. Water cooling, ohc, timing belt, dry clutch, excessive idler pulleys...Honda abandoned this and now makes air cooled pushrod v twins in the 18-20 hp range. Remember when honda said "we make it simple!"? Sometimes they forget.

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    10. I would compare the rotax 912 to a modern motor cycle engine. If you like to constantly fuss with something and you don't try to pull to much power with aftermarket parts they can be very reliable almost as much as a Continental of the same HP.

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    11. The Viking 110 is a 4-stroke engine.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vKzkxtPqE0

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    12. Been flying G.A. a/c since the 1950's, flew aerobatics, raced never loosing an engine. Also know a pilot with 90,000 hrs that never lost an engine in any of the planes he flew

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    13. Four hours a day *every* day of the year without a single day missed for 60 years ? That's 90000 hours.

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  2. Some of these LSA aircraft are nothing but cheapo flying coffins flown by inexperienced "pilots." They pose threats to populated areas. FAA should never certify these death traps. Period!

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    1. LSAs are no less safe than the next step up--150s and 172s, and LSAs still require a pilot's certificate to fly. Hell, some of those I know with Sport Pilot certificates trained as long, if not longer, than others with PPLs.

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    2. As a former salesman of LSA aircraft (including the type in the crash) I disagree full heartedly. I left the industry for a reason.

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    3. They are the future... more technologically advanced and capable than certified antique flying coffins. Whoever say 21st century technology is worst than the 1950s and 1960s should tell me what they are smoking. Most LSAs also incorporate a BRS system and advanced avionics and rotax mass produced engines from jet skis and snowmobiles... push button start. Not the careful babysitting when one starts a lycoming or continental piston engine.

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    4. “ LSAs are no less safe than the next step up--150s and 172s” …. Ahhhh, NO.

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    5. This aircraft was an EXPERIMENTAL not a factory LSA. Because nothing like being ridicule to make a ridiculous point out of ignorance...

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    6. Having flown a very similar experimental Searey all the way to jets, it just comes down to the pilot and the maintenance, LSA experimental certified piston jet, all will kill you just as dead, but with good training and maintenance and a eye for detail they are all plenty safe

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  3. Probably not a pleasant ending. Cockpit sheared the side of the house. Condolences to the first responders and affected. RIP to the victims.

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  4. Thankfully no fire afterwards. Don't need any more fuel-fired hits in residential areas like the West Jordan Utah one was.

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  5. I have mixed emotions about this LSA trend. Just a driver's license needed to fly a lawn mower powered kite of an airplane. Yes, I'm from the certificated aircraft generation that have real pilot's licenses and FAA medicals that spent hundreds of hours learning to fly in the antique Cessnas, Pipers, etc. REAL AIRPLANES! REAL AVIATION! These LSA's are paper Mache kites.

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    1. Statistics do not bare that comment out. Until the investigation is completed we will really not know what happened.

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    2. You need a Sport Pilot license to fly an LSA and it requires 90% what you have to do to get a 3rd class license (no night flight needed because you can't fly at night with LSA). The 'driver's license' is only for the medical part.

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    3. Well "Mr. REAL AIRPLANES!" why is it that 95% of the crashes on this site are "Real Airplanes" flown by people with "Real Pilots" licenses? Ignorance....there is no cure! Sorry for the Families/Friends effected by this and for the the stupidity of the idiots on this site.

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    4. Reminds me of the idiocy of "macho man real pilots" saying a BRS is useless. They probably also drive 1960s cars with only a lap belt and no impact crush zones in front or air bags. And "hold my beer" when they fly.

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    5. The pilot had a lot of experience actually.

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    6. Hundreds of hours? I see you are new to aviation, learn a little more before you say ridiculous comments like medicals keep you safe (see sport pilot V 3rd class medical accident rates) or LSAs are not real aircraft

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  6. One of the pilots on board was an highly experienced CFI who loved seaplane flying more than anything else. He was a friend of mine.

    Sad to see people who don’t even know what the heck happened armchair quarterbacking.

    Miss ya tango :(

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    1. He was a friend of mine as well. Best damn friend you could ask for. And one hell of a pilot. Whatever happened was a freak accident.

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  7. So sad to see 32 yr old CFI and passenger get killed in simple slow plane . Wonder if they hit power lines before hitting house . Seems like stall speed would be so slow the crash would be survivable. Does anyone know stall speed ? Was this a stall / spin ?

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    1. Stall speed depends on wing loading but with fuel and two onboard the stall on the Aero Adventure Aventura II is about 45-55 depending on
      flap setting. This aircraft is an amphibious aircraft meaning is can land
      and take off from land or water making it have more options the a land only plane. This could have been a non event if they had an engine out
      with a safe place to glide to but looking at the departure path out of
      North Perry airport there is nothing on their path but homes and we are
      taught as pilots with an lose of an engine on take off to not try to turn
      back to the runway under a lower altitude because when you turn a plane it will lose altitude much faster in the turn risking a stall spin close to the ground. These guys didn't have a chance and ran out of any options. To bad they didn't have a lake or some water close.

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    2. It looked like the power line actually grabbed them which made them nose dive into the house. Florida is obviously hurricane country and has much stronger power lines than other parts of the state. Given the limited area to land maybe the pilot thought this might ease their landing or maybe it was the only place to go given it was a neighborhood?

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  8. Wow , pictures look like plane came straight down nose first into edge of roof perhaps with edge of roof cutting thru cockpit like a car going under a truck cutting off top of car decapitating occupants. Maybe power lines caught plane and threw plane straight down . CFIs typically teach forced landings to students so CFI should have been familiar with keeping airspeed up to prevent stall / spin. Wonder if CFI was giving instruction at time of crash .

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    1. I think that is exactly what happened. The CFI was actually very well trained and lot's of experience. Very sad.

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  9. Looking at the photo of the engine at the crash scene, none of the prop blades are bent…..indicating that it wasn’t running at the time the aircraft went down.

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  10. This wasn't a stall/spin. They landed on the roof next door (see damage to roof and bottom of the hull) and hit the house. So sad, and preventable. I hope the NTSB spares no resources investigating this and the events leading up to it. Including on-board camera footage and communications with the engine "manufacturer".

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  11. This aircraft was an EXPERIMENTAL!!!! NOT AN LSA!!!!!!!

    https://registry.faa.gov/AircraftInquiry/Search/NNumberResult?nNumberTxt=32856

    Type Certificate Data Sheet None Type Certificate Holder None
    Engine Manufacturer VIKING Classification Experimental

    So not only the "real macho pilots" on here are sending vitriol to a class this aircraft wasn't part of, they also reveal how little they really know about LSA and its safety record. Ridiculous.
    To fly this particular EXPERIMENTAL aircraft, you need at least a PPL and third class medical. Not to mention the maintenance has to be done by the builder or an A&P.
    Per recent regs authorization need to also be given by the FSDO to instruct in such airplanes.
    Next time you guys decide to ridicule a class created to allow safer more modern airplanes to absorb decades of improvements that were denied to certified aircrafts at least know how to use an official government website.
    This also reminds me of the idiocy of some A&P's that will sign 337's for LSAs or do illegal modifications outside the scope of ASTM rules.
    LSRM-A and yes A&P and I find most of the comments pretty much ill informed if not malicious and reflecting Dunning-Krueger induced ignorance.

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    1. I agree with your message about the ignorance and bashing on LSA....100%. But.....and I mean no disrespect, your right, it is "experimental" and depending on what the max gross weight that this experimental plane was set at, up to #1430(seaplane) #1320 (land), it would qualify as a light sport and can be flown with a sports pilot certificate with a seaplane endorsement. The gross weight is set by the builder and should be in the POH/weight and balance info. I have never seen any "set gross weights" listed on any FAA site so without seeing the actual weight and balance info it would be hard to know what it was set at. According to the manufacturers website, max gross of this plane is listed at #1232 so if the builder set it at the factory gross weight, it would be an experimental airplane with a max gross weight of #1232 so it would meet the definition of LSA and therefore could be flown by someone with a sport pilot cert. seaplane endorsement.

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    2. A sports pilot license although simplified is still very close to a PPL... and I know some light sport pilots that have hundreds of hours and are pretty proficient.
      Factory built LSAs are in many ways superior to older certified aircrafts. Modern composites, modern avionics and modern engines.
      The Astoria where I thought a couple of students is a 250k very advanced LSA which can also let you do IFR and with 900 NM of range if you are qualified. And to my surprise it can have 2 220+ lb adults and not exceed its 1320 weight. It is also built out of metal and feels very solid.

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    3. Here is the desription: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tecnam_Astore

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  12. Due to the dense urban surroundings, North Perry should refuse takeoff permission to any aircraft that is not in a recurring 100 hour inspection program.

    The public will soon realize the benefit of making that common sense reform and the push to close urban airports will subside. A grace period for relocation of non-compliant aircraft will make the change easy to accept. After a trial run, a new rule can be rolled out to implement the change at all urban embedded airports in lieu of closures.

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    1. And.....another idiotic statement......


      http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2022/10/fatal-accident-occurred-october-01-2022.html

      The plane listed in the above crash required a 100 hour inspection. So......how did that help? How is a 100 hour inspection requirement a "common sense reform"? Refuse take offs? WTH? Maybe this site should refuse stupid uninformed people from making comments? Now that is common sense reform!

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    2. Nice deflection, but homeowners at North Perry endure accidents there, not in Duluth. Here ya go, the "parts beast" crash they know so well:

      http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2021/08/beechcraft-b36tc-bonanza-n236bc-fatal.html

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    3. 100 hour inspections are the same as annual inspections, with the exception that an A/P can sign off a 100 hr, but not an annual, which requires an IA.
      Most, or at least many GA aircraft log less than 100 hours per year, so they would not be inspected any more frequently- none.
      Use for flight instruction is a common reason for exceeding 100 hrs- those aircraft require 100 hr inspections anyway.
      Tower and other ATC personnel don't necessarily know anything about maintenance, and have better things to do than worry about it.
      Inspection info is in aircraft logbook, not usually kept in the aircraft. ATC sure as hell doesn't want to be fooling with that...sometimes a dozen or so books, separate logs for airframe, engine(s), prop(s)... that would be messy.
      Should ATC ask about a pilots licensing? Currency? Current Medical? Is the pilot rested? Having a nice day? Pitot-static test current? NOOO!

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    4. The new kids adjust their sneaker shoelaces with a phone app. Aviation oversight will eventually catch up and simple non-compliance will be over with.

      Technology can trap all that stuff. A chipped hand to authenticate pilots for engine start, one of the unused extended squitter data words in ADS-B assigned to report from a new in cockpit device that works out approval status real time from cloud hosted files of registrations, medicals, A&P logs, ongoing engine elapsed time, inactive hangar time, flight analysis, and so on (as another Garmin option, making OEM's some extra bux, they will love it.)

      Piece of cake for controllers, since the errant status will show up on controller display. The applicable fine gets automatically debited from your payment processor with notification to your insurance, no human interaction required at all. Gotta happen, since existing patchwork system can't do any of that. Implemented correctly, will also track bottle to throttle elapsed time by keying off your electronic bar receipt after cash is outlawed.

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    5. There’s lower hanging fruit if you apply your brilliant idea to automobiles. But that won’t fly, because it’s not a good idea.

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    6. Legislation mandated remote shutoff in year model 2026 vehicles.
      It's all coming.

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    7. I rarely comment here but as a private pilot for over 30 years and a 29 year retired ATC, the last thing a controller needs is to be babysitting pilots in this way. Besides the obvious (at least to the reasonable among us) ridiculousness of the above suggestion, what is the end state of such a scheme? Sorry but you can’t fly your airplane if you don’t hold the proper political view. Sorry you can’t fly because you said something wrong in a comment somewhere. Where does it end? It doesn’t.

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    8. No controller babysitting will be required, all will be automated. No chip under your skin or low social score = no fly.

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    9. Why would the airport close? Maybe don’t move next to a airport if you don’t want to live next to a airport, also they can’t afford to close HWO, there is a agreement that if they ever close the airport they have to pay back the current market value back to Mr Perrie’s family as that was the agreement when he donated the land in WWII, Again? Don’t want to live next to a airport, don’t buy a home next to a airport, saying airports should close is about a dumb & entitled as moving next to a freeway and saying it should be shutdown

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    10. "No chip under your skin or low social score = no fly." Are you completely crazy? Did you just graduate from the Chinese Communist Party School of Tyranny? Is this some form of deranged satire or puking dog-sick attempt at humor?

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  13. And you also actually think 100 Hour inspections would stop crashes here or anywhere else? More Govt. intervention? Not the answer. North Perry was opened in 1943, all the people and houses came later and were built around an existing airport. It's an absolute tragedy for anyone whether on the ground or in an airplane to loose their life. But trying to govern the problem is not the answer and will lead to more loss of freedoms.

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  14. 100 hour inspections won't catch infrequently flown hangar queens and corruptly wrenched and signed off birds. Failures of automotive conversion engines happen so frequently that banning those engines from urban fields make sense, and combined with a 60 day inactivity limit for all other aircraft would be a more effective mitigation.

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  15. Tony was a accomplished professional pilot and a good guy :(

    BSBD

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  16. The pilot managed not to kill anybody but himself and passenger in what seems like a near impossible scenario. Good for him. RIP.

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  17. How about you pray for the two guys? That's what I'm doing.

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  18. Instructor seemed like really nice guy sharing his love of seaplane flying . Wonder if he was planning for an airline career with current pilot shortage .

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  19. “Life is certainly fragile. We are not promised more than the moment we are given,” Brian Hall, Jordan’s father, said. “He only got 32 years here. I’m thankful for the 32.”

    Life is a WHOLE LOT more fragile in experimental airplanes because they crash on a regular basis! Do these types of aviators have a death wish?

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  20. There really are few if any off field landing options in the +/- 20 mile wide developed urban corridor of southeastern Florida between the Everglades and ocean.

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  21. First of all, can you even legally give primary instruction in an experimental? Second, why would you take an experimental that’s been having problems on a post-maintenance flight with a student? Climb over top of the field to altitude and then depart the area, or stay in the pattern. This doesn’t make a lot of sense.

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    1. Pretty sure you can receive training in an experimental or limited category aircraft assuming the person who is receiving the training owns the aircraft. As for everything else you mentioned, all irrelevant when you stall the airplane.

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  22. God bless the pilot and co pilot… rest easy.

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