Investigator In Charge (IIC): Rayner, Brian
The National Transportation Safety Board did not travel to the scene of this accident.
Additional Participating Entity:
Federal Aviation Administration / Flight Standards District Office; Atlanta, Georgia
Flight School of Gwinnett Inc
Location: Lawrenceville, Georgia
Accident Number: ERA22LA324
Date and Time: July 17, 2022, 18:29 Local
Registration: N62405
Aircraft: Cessna 172P
Injuries: 1 None
Flight Conducted Under: Part 91: General aviation - Instructional
Aircraft and Owner/Operator Information
Aircraft Make: Cessna
Registration: N62405
Model/Series: 172P
Aircraft Category: Airplane
Amateur Built:
Operator:
Operating Certificate(s) Held: Pilot school (141)
Operator Designator Code:
Meteorological Information and Flight Plan
Conditions at Accident Site: VMC
Condition of Light: Day
Observation Facility, Elevation: KLZU,1061 ft msl
Observation Time: 18:56 Local
Distance from Accident Site: 0 Nautical Miles
Temperature/Dew Point: 31°C /19°C
Lowest Cloud Condition: Few / 5000 ft AGL
Wind Speed/Gusts, Direction: 7 knots / , 190°
Lowest Ceiling:
Visibility: 10 miles
Altimeter Setting: 30.02 inches Hg
Type of Flight Plan Filed: Company VFR
Departure Point: Anderson, SC (KAND)
Destination: Lawrenceville, GA
Wreckage and Impact Information
Crew Injuries: 1 None
Aircraft Damage: Substantial
Passenger Injuries:
Aircraft Fire: None
Ground Injuries:
Aircraft Explosion: None
Total Injuries: 1 None
Latitude, Longitude: 33.978091,-83.96236
Aircraft veered off the runway during landing striking multiple aircraft.
Date: 17-JUL-22
Time: 18:29:00Z
Regis#: N62405
Aircraft Make: CESSNA
Aircraft Model: 172
Event Type: INCIDENT
Highest Injury: NONE
Aircraft Missing: No
Damage: UNKNOWN
Activity: PERSONAL
Flight Phase: LANDING (LDG)
Operation: 91
City: LAWRENCEVILLE
State: GEORGIA
The flight school of Gwinnett has had multiple accidents and close calls as of lately. Like due to the environment fostered by the owner.
ReplyDeleteThe flight schools around metro Atlanta like at Gwinnett take on a lot of foreign students. Same situation in Florida and other flight schools around the nation. I've heard from more than one former flight instructor from various schools around the nation that communication from non-native born US English speaking students impedes the student-instructor relationship and trust build, let alone basic imperative communication. If that's the case here, then it's a bigger problem than just the Flight School owner/management.
DeleteI can agree with you on that one. The owner only cares about money and not safety.
DeleteHe's constantly bringing foreign students just for money and create more unsafe training environment.
DeleteI don’t think this accident had anything to do with the international kids there. If a student had a bad (horrible) landing, it is because they were not taught properly, or panicked, or the instructor wasn’t paying attention, or a number of things that can go wrong during a landing. Not because of ethnicity. I do, however, agree that this school is garbage and should be closed immediately. But it’s the lack of safety culture there that causes the main issues. These planes are literally put together with superglue and duct tape. The aircraft are barely airworthy, if at all. I am a former student and can attest to this. The owner is 100% concerned with money and screwing students and employees over and 0% concerned with students and safety. He could easily fix some of these planes up with the outrageous prices he charges for rental. I had a wonderful instructor who, despite of working for a tyrant in trash airplanes, taught me the meaning of safety and how I could do better. I left and am doing better. Thankfully, they have moved on and are also doing better now.
DeleteAt a busy towered airport in Florida with heavy foreigner flight training, I witnessed a runway incursion requiring a go-around due to the pilot's inability to understand ATC instructions. The controller then asked the offending pilot "is your instructor onboard?", to which the pilot answered "no".
ReplyDeleteThe controller then said "I need you to taxi back to the flight school and call this number"; the pilot -- for the life of him -- could not comprehend these instructions. After nearly causing a fireball.
I'm sure these occurrences are common, and nothing gets done about them because A LOT of money is changing hands, and it's not politically correct to criticize a lack of English proficiency.
just as guilty are controllers allowing English deficient students to operate in 'D' space.
ReplyDeleteI think you meant instructors - only a CFI makes the endorsement to solo
Deleteas an instructor at this school, the other instructors sucks and barely speak english??
ReplyDeleteour boss does not appreciate, yells, is bi polar. dealing with this causes poor teaching and poor students. you will be fired for one mistake and re hired as a joke because owner think it’s funny. instructor are forced and encouraged to stay 6 am till 4 pm just sitting there unpaid waiting for students to walk in the door. imagine how well instructor is going to teach after knowing if you can make your bills and hoping a student walks in.
someone mentioned it’s the student, no it is definitely the boss.
1.This accident is not caused by any international students ,that’s very clear.
ReplyDelete2.I’m an international student and also hold instructor certificate, without a proper English ability there’s no way to pass the exam.
3.According to SEVIS code, international students have obligations to present at school ,if they don’t Homeland security department has the right to terminate any foreign student status,school can’t make the call.
I agree that the English is very essential as a pilot, and has to be proficient for safety. But This incident was not caused by a foreign students, not directly related to non-native English speaking students or instructors. English is just a tool to communicate for flights. You have to be proficient to use this tool to fly safely.
ReplyDeleteI think the cause of this incident was just from the poor instruction from CFI or a number of bad lucks happened at the same time.