Monday, September 13, 2021

Cessna 177RG Cardinal RG, N2085Q: Fatal accident occurred September 12, 2021 near Lake Havasu City Airport (KHII), Mohave County, Arizona

Gary L. Van Dyke
~


Federal Aviation Administration / Flight Standards District Office; Scottsdale, Arizona

Aircraft crashed under unknown circumstances on takeoff and caught on fire. 

Gary L. Van Dyke


Date: 12-SEP-21
Time: 23:10:00Z
Regis#: N2085Q
Aircraft Make: CESSNA
Aircraft Model: 177RG
Event Type: ACCIDENT
Highest Injury: FATAL
Total Fatal: 1
Activity: PERSONAL
Flight Phase: TAKEOFF (TOF)
Operation: 91
Aircraft Missing: No
Damage: SUBSTANTIAL
City: LAKE HAVASU CITY
State: ARIZONA

Those who may have information that might be relevant to the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) investigation may contact them by email witness@ntsb.gov, and any friends and family who want to contact investigators about the accident should email assistance@ntsb.gov. You can also call the NTSB Response Operations Center at 844-373-9922 or 202-314-6290.



A pilot is dead this week after his single-engine aircraft crashed while taking off from Lake Havasu Municipal Airport on Sunday.

Federal Aviation Administration records show that the plane was registered to Gary L. Van Dyke, of Alvin, Texas. Van Dyke is identified on LinkedIn as a former corporate regional manager, and retired almost two years ago. A social media post Monday from Van Dyke’s sister, Lora Van Dyke, appeared to confirm that Van Dyke was the sole victim in Sunday’s crash.

According to flight-recording website Flightaware.com, the Cessna 177RG aircraft departed from the Needles area at 3:34 p.m. Sunday, and landed at Havasu Municipal Airport at 3:45 p.m. The crash was reported shortly after 4 p.m., when the plane went down over the desert area south of the airport, about 75 yards from Wheelan Drive.

Lake Havasu City officials said on Sunday that the plane was fully engulfed in flames when emergency first responders arrived. Firefighters were able to extinguish the fire within minutes, but the aircraft was entirely destroyed and its occupant was deceased.

Federal officials were notified of the crash on Sunday, and have been dispatched to the scene.

45 comments:

  1. "Havasu police and the Community Emergency Response Team is on scene in a gated area south of the airport and north of Agave Business Park, about 75 yards from Whelan Drive." is adjacent to departure end of Rwy 14.
    ADS: " Speed: 54 kt Altitude: 1,000 ft, Vert. Rate: 192 ft/min, Track:175.8° Pos.:34.561°, -114.353°

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. KHII's runway is 8000' long. AdsbExchange track recording includes a taxi data point at 19:04:32 that suggests the pilot did use full length for takeoff.

      Unfortunate that the takeoff was not rejected on observing low performance. Lots of runway length was available to get stopped.

      https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a1b2d1&lat=34.570&lon=-114.361&zoom=14.4&showTrace=2021-09-12&trackLabels

      Delete
    2. Weather recorded at 16:15 local time was wind SE 3, clear skies, temp 109 F, dewpoint 45 F, RH 11%, altimeter 29.76.

      Delete
    3. "...the takeoff was not rejected on observing low performance."

      Sorry, where does it say there was low performance and that the pilot elected not to reject the takeoff?

      Delete
    4. Low performance shows in the ADS-B data. Looking at the ground speed and altitude in the Adsbexchange track recording, you can easily see the low forward speed and lack of altitude increase in spite of traversing the 8000 feet of runway:

      https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a1b2d1&lat=34.564&lon=-114.356&zoom=15.9&showTrace=2021-09-12&trackLabels

      Delete
    5. I disagree with the conclusion that he did not use the full length for takeoff. The ADS-B point at 19:04:32 has a GPS position well past the point where he would have turned onto taxiway A5 for an intersection takeoff. After that point there is a data gap of about 3.5 minutes until the next recorded point at 19:07:57 which was on the runway. adsbexchange drew a dashed line between the two points showing there is discontinuous data, but the pilot most likely taxied all the way to A6 and did a full length takeoff. ADS-B reception on ground level is spotty at best as buildings and other obstacles can more easily block the signal from getting to ADS-B ground receivers.

      However, I do agree the ground speed data does seem to indicate poor aircraft performance on takeoff, even accounting for wind.

      Delete
    6. When posting "I disagree with the conclusion that he did not use the full length for takeoff." were you responding to the original comment above that was posted Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 8:04:00 AM EDT, or something seen elsewhere?

      The original Tuesday, Sept 14 @ 8:04 comment stated:
      "KHII's runway is 8000' long. AdsbExchange track recording includes a taxi data point at 19:04:32 that suggests the pilot did use full length for takeoff."

      The original comment made the conclusion that the full length was used and included the same data point. Nothing to disagree about.

      Delete
  2. Gary was a friend of mine. What a great loss. He was very active in Angel Flight. I took the photo you show at the top of the page. It was for a shoot for Cessna Owner Organization and his plane was the cover plane. Very experienced pilot. He'd only recently moved to AZ from TX. Blue Skies, my friend. You have a lot of us in tears today.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I'm sorry for your loss. I hope this isn't inappropriate, but that is a great photo. How did you capture it?

      Delete
    2. I'm sorry for your loss. It's a great looking photograph, you have real talent.

      Delete
    3. Thanks. Air-to-Air from a Cessna 170. It was certainly a day to remember.

      Delete
    4. Sorry to hear that Jack. I said a little prayer. Hope it helps you get past this.

      Delete
    5. He made that issue's cover page look great!

      https://cessnaowner.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/CO_Cover_Oct2019.jpg

      Delete
  3. I was afraid he might be relying on Cessna's C177 book numbers, which were fraudulent and the subject of an engineering disaster that NASA had to get involved in, but it doesn't look like it with that long of a runway. I think the fraudulent data centered on the fixed-gear version, also, so it may not be relevant anyway.

    ReplyDelete
  4. Head scratcher. The 170 series is the most docile of all planes, retract or not. I suspect some incapacitation on takeoff, or a wildlife strike through the window that would be hard to see afterwards when the plane was roasted and everything in it. The weather condition were certainly full VFR and even with some gusts manageable. I went into that airport a few months ago and see nothing unusual. Nice long runway and no issues.

    ReplyDelete
  5. Based on info at the time of the crash, density altitude was 5440.8 feet. Full power and full rich could have been an issue. Although my engines are very different, I fly a Beech Duke, departing at temperatures above 100 pose problems with keeping the CHTs below red line. The inclination is to enrichen the mixtures ( hot temps and high elevation ) which in turn degrades climb performance. One engine hic up ( lose a cylinder, vapor lock ) and down I go.
    I’m not speculating. Just offering up one set of scenarios that I’ve experienced that involve circumstances this gentleman may have had to deal with.
    My sincerest condolences to his family and friends.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. @Leo - Would be interested to understand what WX conditions, field elevation and calculation you used that gave you a density altitude result of 5440.8 feet? That number is off by about 1000 feet, as detailed below:

      KHII AWOS recordings closest to 23:10Z are 22:55Z with T= 109.40F, DP= 46.40F, Altimeter= 29.76 and 23:15Z with T=109.40F, DP= 44.60F, Altimeter= 29.76 (From full day archive at link below)

      Drop that data into the pilotfriend calculator along with KHII's 783 foot field elevation from Airnav and you get 4,399 feet.
      http://www.pilotfriend.com/pilot_resources/density.htm

      If you don't trust that calculator, use the National Weather Service calc tools. Two Weather.gov calc tools apply, the first is used to convert Altimeter setting to station pressure:
      https://www.weather.gov/epz/wxcalc_stationpressure
      For Altimeter= 29.76 inches Hg and 782.8' field elevation, station pressure comes out to 28.93 inches Hg.

      The Weather.gov density altitude calculator is at:
      https://www.weather.gov/epz/wxcalc_densityaltitude
      Entering 28.93 inches Hg station pressure, T= 109.40F, DP= 46.40F returns a density altitude of 4,410 feet. For the 44.6F dewpoint reading at 23:15Z, density altitude is 4,401 feet.

      Or do the simple form manual calc in centigrade, adjusting the 15 degree ISA sea level temp to 13 for KHII elevation being almost 1000' MSL:
      Density altitude in feet = pressure altitude in feet + (120 x (OAT - ISA temperature))
      Density altitude = 783 + (120 x (43 - 13)) = 4,383 feet


      Full day KHII 9/12/2021 AWOS archive:
      https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/cgi-bin/request/asos.py?station=HII&data=all&year1=2021&month1=9&day1=12&year2=2021&month2=9&day2=13&tz=Etc%2FUTC&format=onlycomma&latlon=no&elev=no&missing=M&trace=T&direct=no&report_type=1&report_type=2

      Delete
    2. Wrong... You use your flight computer that you learned or, (should have learned) in ground school. No electronic devices, web-sites, Etc. Just good ole basic flight planning using the tools that were developed many years ago.
      I'll bet most "New" pilots have no idea how to use, or even seen, a flight computer.

      Delete
    3. If the E6B flight computer returns 5440.8 feet density altitude for the noted conditions at KHII, you are operating it incorrectly!

      Instructions, if needed:
      https://www.siebert.aero/media/products/E6B-CIRC_Instructions.pdf

      Delete
    4. My mistake entirely and I apologize for the error. DA is indeed 4400 feet. The E6B and strained eyes aren’t always the best combo.

      Delete
    5. Eye strain can't explain getting 5,440.8 from reading the dial in the E6B flight computer's density altitude window cutout.

      The tick marks on the dial represent 100 foot increments. That extra .8 stuck on to 5,440 doesn't make sense. (Look at the "Density Alt." window, located to the right of the center rivet in the photo linked below).

      https://www.sliderulemuseum.com/Aerospace/Weems_E6-B_DaltonDeadReckoningComputer_PlasticVersion_GiftOfEdMillis.jpg

      Delete
    6. @Leo - kind of you to admit a minor mistake. Unfortunate that your one-time misread of an E6B is the subject getting people riled up instead of focusing on the tragedy at hand and learning from it.

      Delete
    7. TIL that you can't read an E6B to tenths of a foot.

      Delete
  6. Turbocharged engines do not require leaning for high density altitude takeoffs. Normally aspirated Lycoming's as in the Cessna 177 recommend leaning for takeoff only above 5000' DA. So any gain from leaning would be very modest at DA of 5440'.

    ReplyDelete
  7. I used a previously posted number for density altitude. The important issue is that full rich mixture would not have been an issue as some have speculated. A much more important issue would be that the prop was inadvertently left at a cruise setting of perhaps 2300 rpm. It is clear that the airplane performance was way below what it should have been.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Nothing was wrong with your leaning comment. Correcting the other person's erroneous DA number was in support of your "Normally aspirated Lycoming's as in the Cessna 177 recommend leaning for takeoff only above 5000' DA" statement.

      Delete
    2. I was under the impression this 177RG was not turbonormalized, the aircraft directory shows it having the IO-360-A1B6D power plant. IO = injected, TIO = turbo. This explains my wondering if mixture leaning was a factor. Having the prop in cruise setting? If so, what a tragic oversight.
      Years ago I learned of an RG that upon gear retract a failure ( hydraulic leak ) with no possibility to manually raise or lower. With the gear partially retracted, it suffered substantial performance loss and of course, had a eventful landing.
      Maybe someone in here with RG experience could comment on either. The gear issue is not uncommon, as I’ve learned over the years.
      As for the .8 and use of a E6B, a point of aggravation with a hidden, near hysterical commenter.Truth in advertising, I used my electronic E6B. I own both, use both. I also own a cell phone, but know how to use a rotary dial if needed.

      Delete
    3. Just because there is no "T" in the engine model number does not mean it is not turbo-charged by the Aircraft Manufacturer, or modified by STC to be turbo-charged. The "T" in the engine model descriptor means it is turbo-charged by the engine manufacturer.

      Delete
    4. If STC-Turbo'd, he would have said so in the user perspective article. You can read it here:

      https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/cessna-177rg-cardinal.120640/page-2#post-2791582

      Delete
  8. has the purpose of the short stop at the airport terminal bldg been revealed? 85Q landed, taxied direct to the terminal bldg, approx <10 minute stop, possible not a shut down and then departure.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. The ground arrival ADS-B furthest detected position before going back out is at the 22:49:39Z data point and maps to a location near the FBO fueling loop. The first detected data point going back out is at 23:03:27Z.

      Suggests a 10 or 11 minute fuel stop. Doesn't appear to place the aircraft at the public terminal building.

      Ground track at FBO:
      https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a1b2d1&lat=34.569&lon=-114.361&zoom=16.7&showTrace=2021-09-12&trackLabels&timestamp=1631486980

      Map pinned 22:49:39Z data point at FBO:
      http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:34.569+-114.361

      Delete
    2. N2085Q was operating locally out of A09 on July 16, 18 & 22. Started a long trip from A09 on July 24, returning to A09 August 15. There is favorable 100LL pricing at KHII, 23 miles from A09.

      July 18 must have been a super nice day for a local flight:
      https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a1b2d1&lat=34.850&lon=-114.529&zoom=10.8&showTrace=2021-07-18&trackLabels

      Delete
  9. Leaning only below 5,000ft DA?
    I learned to fly in Southern Arizona at about 2,600ft field elevation. DA depending on season and time of day significantly higher. The owner of the school and the instructors taught to ALWAYS lean engines in their 172s before taxing, during runup and climb/cruise and after landing again before taxing again. One can see, feel and hear the difference to full rich when doing it.
    All other CFIs I flew with for biannuals, some with tons of experience in all kinds of fixed and rotary turbine aircraft, ALL leaned the engines I flew.
    Same at an airport at sealevel in Southern France - the French instructor just leaned.

    Car engines and a few modern piston aircraft ones automatically use the best mixture, it's just that those old aircraft engines are from a different era.
    Several myths or old wives tales have been laid to rest, e.g. rich of peak vs. lean of peak has been around for while now together with good explanations and numbers of the various temperatures inside the engine - obviously best if separate measurements for each cylinder.
    But many engines are still just old and do not offer the possibility to really fine tune the combustion for each cycle, so a crude leaning has to be acceptable.

    In the end molecules, chemistry and physics are always the same and we have to understand how to tweak things but cannot cheat things...

    Blue skies and tailwinds.

    ReplyDelete
  10. Seems unlikely that the pilot would be unskilled with the mixture control, looking at the 2013 registration date for his 177RG and a 2018 post about travel habits:

    "We can reach either coast in an 8-hour day and we make at least one trip of around 1500 miles one way each year. Two years ago we flew to the Bahamas in the spring and Catalina Island in the fall with stops at Sedona, Meteor Crater, Monument Valley, Lake Powell, and the Grand Canyon."

    The 2018 post:
    https://forums.cessnaowner.org/discussion/1442/love-my-177rg

    He also mentions in the post about starting with a 1956 172. Registration history indicates that he owned that bird from 2004 to 2013. It had a carbureted Conti 0-300.

    ReplyDelete
  11. Replies
    1. No bathroom stop required coming from home base at A09, 23 miles away. Doesn't seem impossible to pull up to KHII Desert Skies self serve in the fuel loop and top in 10-11 minutes. Just a guess based on the mapped location coordinates....

      Delete
    2. likely normal for credit card selfserve. I second all comments that leaning of simple nonturbo is normal in these circumstances and doubt a local pilot would forget that OR prop to high rpm. Very sad for his family's loss but also because this is the most and perhaps only gorgeous, lowslung, sports-car-looking Cessna ever built and I've been saving up to find one.

      Delete
    3. "Don’t forget to sample some of the fuel you just pumped."
      last STEP 14 "Most importantly, take a walk around the entire airplane when you’re done. When you think you’re ready to start the engine and taxi away, pause for a moment and look at the airplane. Make sure the fuel caps are on, the hose is put away, and there are no objects on the ramp. Many pilots start rushing around during fueling, especially if it’s hot or there’s a line of airplanes. Resist the urge to do that and take one last look."
      September 2, 2019/by studentpltnews

      STEPS 1 - 14 https://studentpilotnews.com/2019/09/how-to-use-self-serve-fuel-pumps-at-the-airport/

      Delete
    4. I am not going to get into what I have learned except to say there is some evidence of ongoing engine problems that likely were treated as an annoyance but could have developed into something really bad.
      One of the many issues I have with that piece of garbage design is that the gascolator is stuffed into a tiny little area near the nose wheel well. This almost guarantees a fire in even a minor impact.
      Worderful to hear from so many people who know more about Lycomings than the Lycoming Factory.

      Delete
    5. I don't believe that I can fuel my single tank airplane that does not require a ladder in under 15 minutes!!!!!
      Two tanks, position the ladder, move the ladder, put the ladder away-NO WAY

      Delete
    6. Regarding the comment "except to say there is some evidence of ongoing engine problems" seen a couple of posts before this one:

      Was that a reference to Lycoming "morning sickness" that the pilot experienced and posted about in a forum on 27 March 2021?

      "I fired up but had a case of morning sickness. It cleared but didn’t want to take the chance of it trapping me away from home, or worse, sticking while in flight.

      I’m grounded until I get a chance to ream some exhaust valves."


      His post demonstrates that he was knowledgeable about the valve sticking from deposits issue and was not one to attribute the clearing up to "dirty plugs" or to perform a takeoff after experiencing valve sticking.

      Reaming to remove deposits and resolve sticking is an approved procedure in Lycoming Service instruction 1425. Grounding the aircraft to perform 1425 is not treating the sticking as an annoyance.

      https://www.lycoming.com/content/service-instruction-no-1425a
      https://www.lycoming.com/sites/default/files/Suggested%20Maintenance%20Procedures%20to%20Reduce%20the%20Possibility%20of%20Valve%20Sticking.pdf

      Delete
  12. The full Cessna owner magazine article content on N2085Q is at:
    https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/cessna-177rg-cardinal.120640/page-2#post-2791582

    And more of the raw photo shoot images, quite inspiring:
    https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/cessna-177rg-cardinal.120640/

    ReplyDelete
  13. Absolutely, you couldn't top off a low winger that fast much less a Cessna unless someone had the pump running when you pulled up and started fueling for you. RIP Gary :-(

    ReplyDelete