tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post8223560561147808314..comments2024-03-28T21:15:11.065-04:00Comments on Kathryn's Report: Cessna 177RG Cardinal RG, N2085Q: Fatal accident occurred September 12, 2021 near Lake Havasu City Airport (KHII), Mohave County, ArizonaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-39563421958866237732023-03-09T21:52:39.120-05:002023-03-09T21:52:39.120-05:00I had known the pilot since the mid '70s, even...I had known the pilot since the mid '70s, even before he received his pilots license. I helped him move from Texas after him and his wife retired. Really sad that I lost such an old friend but one thing rubs on me in that he did a lot of work on the airplane that he should NOT have been doing as he was NOT an A&P mechanic. What I see when doing inspections sometimes scares me to death.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-56464430593593025872021-10-09T15:47:13.390-04:002021-10-09T15:47:13.390-04:00That valve train had been tearing itself apart for...That valve train had been tearing itself apart for a long time. Improper lubrication of cam when installed, long periods of inactivity etc. are all possibilities. Setting the oil pressure near the top of the green arc is alleged to do wonders for valve train lubrication. Also for Lycoming extended periods of low power on ground should be at a minimum of 1100 r/m for proper splash lubrication.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-1385388227800464412021-10-09T15:41:19.869-04:002021-10-09T15:41:19.869-04:00One of the protocols from the many articles on tur...One of the protocols from the many articles on turn back is to self brief EVERY takeoff. Below x altitude I will not turn. At y altitude I will turn no more than 90 degrees. At z altitude or above I will attempt a turnback, however at any point if things are not going well level the wings and DON'T STALL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-20726746361323174192021-10-07T19:02:23.617-04:002021-10-07T19:02:23.617-04:00The final report will probably include electron mi...The final report will probably include electron microscope imaging of the fracture surfaces at the break in cylinder #4's top ring. The multi-fragmented cylinder #1 top ring had to have been run that way for a period of time.<br /><br />A fracture surface examination of the cylinder #4 ring that doesn't find significant re-contacting wear at the break would be consistent with that ring&#Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-72544069170177436802021-10-05T00:04:18.060-04:002021-10-05T00:04:18.060-04:00For at least a few of us a ladder is not required ...For at least a few of us a ladder is not required to refuel a Cardinal RG. I can walk up and fuel it directly, although I am 6'4". It goes pretty quickly... remember he was topping off for a flight to follow. He only pumped 24.8 gallons. Still, that was a quick turn.Keith Petersonhttp://www.cardinalflyers.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-52772590153102776802021-10-05T00:00:04.088-04:002021-10-05T00:00:04.088-04:00To answer (I think) the question above, Cardinal R...To answer (I think) the question above, Cardinal RGs have no problem flying with a partially retracted gear. There may be a slight performance loss from the sideways wheels, but not much in the overall scheme of things.Keith Petersonhttp://www.cardinalflyers.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-12796374749227281922021-09-26T15:28:26.198-04:002021-09-26T15:28:26.198-04:00The aircraft could have climbed to almost 100'...The aircraft could have climbed to almost 100' AGL and still returned that steady 1000' MSL number in ADS-B, as explained below:<br /><br />Interpreting the observed lack of increase from the ADS-B transmitted 1000' MSL "on runway" during takeoff has to consider <i>rounding up/down to the nearest 100 foot increment</i> as seen in the Adsbexchange final approach data that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-34461022282932618282021-09-25T16:24:45.356-04:002021-09-25T16:24:45.356-04:00Regarding the ADSB info altitude was showing 1000&...Regarding the ADSB info altitude was showing 1000' and 18kts ground speed just before exiting runway on landing. Maximum altitude on takeoff was 1000'with four displays starting with approximately 1/3 of runway remaining. Ground speed 65/65/56 and 54. Airplane turned to a track of 175 prior to end of runway. So the airplane may have only climbed a few feet and with less than 5 knots wind Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-49258467114137289492021-09-25T15:11:45.352-04:002021-09-25T15:11:45.352-04:00Regarding A09, because of the AG operation and ass...Regarding A09, because of the AG operation and associated equipment on or near the end of runway 18, takeoffs are typically done from the displaced threshold of runway 18 which leaves 4200' useable. The accident airplane had been hangared at A09 since at least July, before the long flight. <br />Looking at the ADSB info it seems likely that information did not have the altitude exactly Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-13926263173925400162021-09-24T16:11:48.572-04:002021-09-24T16:11:48.572-04:00The pilot had taken off from his home base A09'...The pilot had taken off from his home base A09's 4,800 foot long runway under similar conditions about a half hour prior to the accident.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-612110087533298162021-09-23T19:13:20.321-04:002021-09-23T19:13:20.321-04:00Summer 3pm in the afternoon here in Havasu City is...Summer 3pm in the afternoon here in Havasu City is terrible time to take off almost 110F air cooled engines don't like that kind of heat. I think I would have landed head for a nice dinner at a hotel get back in the air at 5am. Mike-Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252696519545321781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-31631865256862004682021-09-22T07:04:53.077-04:002021-09-22T07:04:53.077-04:00If STC-Turbo'd, he would have said so in the u...If STC-Turbo'd, he would have said so in the user perspective article. You can read it here:<br /><br />https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/cessna-177rg-cardinal.120640/page-2#post-2791582<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-29148358834242302362021-09-21T19:01:15.839-04:002021-09-21T19:01:15.839-04:00Just because there is no "T" in the engi...Just because there is no "T" in the engine model number does not mean it is not turbo-charged by the Aircraft Manufacturer, or modified by STC to be turbo-charged. The "T" in the engine model descriptor means it is turbo-charged by the engine manufacturer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-222235518326351242021-09-20T21:20:30.503-04:002021-09-20T21:20:30.503-04:00Regarding the comment "except to say there is...Regarding the comment <i>"except to say there is some evidence of ongoing engine problems"</i> seen a couple of posts before this one:<br /><br />Was that a reference to Lycoming "morning sickness" that the pilot experienced and posted about in a forum on 27 March 2021?<br /><br /><i>"I fired up but had a case of morning sickness. It cleared but didn’t want to take the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-82753220579240151132021-09-20T20:51:33.643-04:002021-09-20T20:51:33.643-04:00Absolutely, you couldn't top off a low winger ...Absolutely, you couldn't top off a low winger that fast much less a Cessna unless someone had the pump running when you pulled up and started fueling for you. RIP Gary :-(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-40785811241292448772021-09-20T18:50:29.445-04:002021-09-20T18:50:29.445-04:00The full Cessna owner magazine article content on ...The full Cessna owner magazine article content on N2085Q is at:<br />https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/cessna-177rg-cardinal.120640/page-2#post-2791582<br /><br />And more of the raw photo shoot images, quite inspiring:<br />https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/cessna-177rg-cardinal.120640/<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-40420713465023171022021-09-20T12:59:10.677-04:002021-09-20T12:59:10.677-04:00I don't believe that I can fuel my single tank...I don't believe that I can fuel my single tank airplane that does not require a ladder in under 15 minutes!!!!!<br />Two tanks, position the ladder, move the ladder, put the ladder away-NO WAYAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-55789177627775503942021-09-20T12:56:35.442-04:002021-09-20T12:56:35.442-04:00I am not going to get into what I have learned exc...I am not going to get into what I have learned except to say there is some evidence of ongoing engine problems that likely were treated as an annoyance but could have developed into something really bad. <br />One of the many issues I have with that piece of garbage design is that the gascolator is stuffed into a tiny little area near the nose wheel well. This almost guarantees a fire in even a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-87591900630073631032021-09-19T15:30:15.170-04:002021-09-19T15:30:15.170-04:00"Don’t forget to sample some of the fuel you ..."Don’t forget to sample some of the fuel you just pumped."<br />last STEP 14 "Most importantly, take a walk around the entire airplane when you’re done. When you think you’re ready to start the engine and taxi away, pause for a moment and look at the airplane. Make sure the fuel caps are on, the hose is put away, and there are no objects on the ramp. Many pilots start rushing gretnabearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17532199082129778356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-65256820913689000822021-09-19T12:08:08.091-04:002021-09-19T12:08:08.091-04:00likely normal for credit card selfserve. I second ...likely normal for credit card selfserve. I second all comments that leaning of simple nonturbo is normal in these circumstances and doubt a local pilot would forget that OR prop to high rpm. Very sad for his family's loss but also because this is the most and perhaps only gorgeous, lowslung, sports-car-looking Cessna ever built and I've been saving up to find one.Wise Old Manhttp://www.faaeztest.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-57818614346250279822021-09-19T11:32:40.785-04:002021-09-19T11:32:40.785-04:00No bathroom stop required coming from home base at...No bathroom stop required coming from home base at A09, 23 miles away. Doesn't seem impossible to pull up to KHII Desert Skies self serve in the fuel loop and top in 10-11 minutes. Just a guess based on the mapped location coordinates....<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-43680199884996041792021-09-19T10:46:02.945-04:002021-09-19T10:46:02.945-04:0010 minute fuel stop?10 minute fuel stop?gretnabearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17532199082129778356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-63030099843825925552021-09-18T15:29:21.786-04:002021-09-18T15:29:21.786-04:00N2085Q was operating locally out of A09 on July 16...N2085Q was operating locally out of A09 on July 16, 18 & 22. Started a long trip from A09 on July 24, returning to A09 August 15. There is favorable 100LL pricing at KHII, 23 miles from A09.<br /><br />July 18 must have been a super nice day for a local flight:<br />https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a1b2d1&lat=34.850&lon=-114.529&zoom=10.8&showTrace=2021-07-18&Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-17149813398320609702021-09-18T11:26:19.723-04:002021-09-18T11:26:19.723-04:00He made that issue's cover page look great!
h...He made that issue's cover page look great!<br /><br />https://cessnaowner.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/CO_Cover_Oct2019.jpg<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-21575125530243094712021-09-18T10:40:48.111-04:002021-09-18T10:40:48.111-04:00Seems unlikely that the pilot would be unskilled w...Seems unlikely that the pilot would be unskilled with the mixture control, looking at the 2013 registration date for his 177RG and a 2018 post about travel habits:<br /><br /><i>"We can reach either coast in an 8-hour day and we make at least one trip of around 1500 miles one way each year. Two years ago we flew to the Bahamas in the spring and Catalina Island in the fall with stops at Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com