Sunday, August 09, 2020

Cessna T210M Turbo Centurion, N761RG: Accident occurred August 07, 2020 in Hanna, Duchesne County, Utah

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. 

The National Transportation Safety Board did not travel to the scene of this accident.

Additional Participating Entity:
Federal Aviation Administration / Flight Standards District Office; Salt Lake City, Utah

https://registry.faa.gov/N761RG


Location: Hanna, UT
Accident Number: WPR20LA258
Date & Time: 08/07/2020, 1145 MDT
Registration: N761RG
Aircraft: Cessna T210
Injuries: 2 Serious, 4 Minor
Flight Conducted Under: Part 91: General Aviation - Personal 

On August 7, 2020, about 1145 mountain daylight time, a Cessna T210M airplane, N761RG, was substantially damaged when it was involved in an accident near Hanna, Utah. The private pilot and one passenger were seriously injured and 4 other passengers had minor injuries. The airplane was operated as a Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91 personal flight.

The pilot reported that the engine experienced a loss of power during a turn over mountainous terrain. The pilot decided to fly down a canyon as the propeller continued to windmill. He initiated a forced landing in an open field where the airplane experienced a hard landing. The open field is on the banks of Moon Lake at an elevation of 8,100 ft mean sea level (msl). The airplane's forward fuselage and cabin area were crushed upwards and the engine was partially separated from the airplane. Both wings were buckled near the tips.

Preliminary flight track data shows the airplane as it departed Roosevelt Municipal Airport (74V), Roosevelt, UT, and climbed northwest over mountainous terrain. The track turns to the west and continues to climb to an altitude of 12,927 ft msl. The track then decreases in altitude as it turns southwest approaching a large canyon. Shortly after the flight track data stops at 11,575 ft msl. The accident site was about 7 1/2 miles south of the last flight track.

The wreckage was recovered to a secure location for further examination.

Aircraft and Owner/Operator Information

Aircraft Make: Cessna
Registration: N761RG
Model/Series: T210 M
Aircraft Category: Airplane
Amateur Built: No
Operator: On file
Operating Certificate(s) Held: None

Meteorological Information and Flight Plan

Conditions at Accident Site:
Condition of Light:
Observation Facility, Elevation: U67, 5105 ft msl
Observation Time: 1100 MDT
Distance from Accident Site: 29 Nautical Miles
Temperature/Dew Point:
Lowest Cloud Condition:
Wind Speed/Gusts, Direction:
Lowest Ceiling:
Visibility:  
Altimeter Setting:
Type of Flight Plan Filed:
Departure Point:
Destination:

Wreckage and Impact Information

Crew Injuries: 1 Serious
Aircraft Damage: Substantial
Passenger Injuries: 1 Serious, 4 Minor
Aircraft Fire: None
Ground Injuries: N/A
Aircraft Explosion: None
Total Injuries: 2 Serious, 4 Minor
Latitude, Longitude: 40.566944, -110.500278 (est)






MOUNTAIN HOME, Utah — A small plane carrying six people crashed near Moon Lake in Duchesne County, and miraculously, everyone survived. The plane’s pilot spoke to KSL from his hospital room about the crash and what happened for all six people to survive.

Shadrach Feild shared that he trained a lot for a worst case scenario, and while that training kicked in, he felt divine intervention’s hand.

“I absolutely know that God had his hand in this,” Shadrach Feild said. “It’s a miracle.”

When you see what’s left of the Cessna T210M Turbo Centurion, it’s hard to believe that everyone on board survived.

“For the terrain that we were in and how it all unfolded, it takes more than a good pilot to get through this,” he said.

Six people were onboard the plane including Feild, his wife Jazlyn, their family friends Betsey and Gentry Mikesell, and their 16-year-old teenage twin sons, Brock and Boston Mikesell.

The group said they were out flying near Moon Lake on Friday morning.

“When I came over the corner over the lake, there was a lot of wind coming at me, which isn’t normally a big deal,” Feild said. “My plane — a Turbo Charged 210 — has plenty of horsepower.

That’s when Feild said the engine gave out.

“I pushed the throttle in and there was no power,” he said. “It kept running, but there was just no power.”

“It took about 12 seconds from that point to the time we touched down,” said Betsey Mikesell, explaining that they only had moments to brace for impact.

Meanwhile, Shad prepared the plane and crew for an emergency landing.

“I remember telling them I would take care of them,” Feild said, holding back emotions. “We made it across the lake.”

“Because Shad was so calm, I just thought he was landing it. He never said, ‘we’re going to crash,’” Mikesell said.

As Shad looked for a landing spot, he spotted two possible locations. The first, he said, was a beach, but there were people on it and he feared his tires wouldn’t handle the sand well. The second option was an open field.

“I thought it would be better to try and land in the sagebrush flat,” Feild said. “I didn’t want to flip over and hurt the people in the back.”

“For some reason in my mind, I was just so calm,” Mikesell said. “I just remember bracing and holding onto the seat in front of me.”

Mikesell said she was the first one out of the plane as nearby campers ran to their rescue.

“Someone said that you could feel angels everywhere, and I feel like that is what we experienced, “ Mikesell said. “Someone else said that it looked like we were just being carried down to the ground, and I swear that is literally what happened.”

“I lost my dad about four years ago, and I know that he helped,” Feild said. “I could feel him the whole time.”

Brock managed to walk away from the crash.

Gentry and Shad, who were at the front of the plane, suffered back and spinal injuries and remain hospitalized. Gentry also has a broken femur, tibia, and shattered ankle. Betsey said he broke his nose and face in 3 places.

Shad’s wife Jazyln broke her arm and wrist.

Boston, the other twin, fractured a hip.

And Betsey said she has four broken ribs on each side, a neck injury and bruised lungs.

Despite their injuries, they said they’re grateful to be alive and for the help of first responders and the campers who ran to their aid.

“Not only where we landed but that the plane died where it did — had it have been 45 seconds earlier, we all would’ve died,” Feild said. “There was nowhere to land 45 seconds earlier. It was God’s hand.”

The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating the crash.

63 comments:

  1. Airmen database:

    SHADRACH ROUNDY FEILD
    Medical Class: Third Medical Date: 2/2015
    Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT
    Date of Issue: 5/31/2016
    Ratings:
    PRIVATE PILOT
    AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND

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    1. Previous aircraft:

      N82488 1964 CESSNA 182G Skylane
      13-Dec-2016 certificate issued

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    2. Stall horn was blaring. Glad they all survived. But remember the ABCs ,,,Airspeed for best Glide , Best place to land and Checklist if you have time. Based on the stall horn going off , I’m pretty sure he wasn’t at his best glide speed. Ended up stalling the airplane, at glide speed it would have been a routine landing.

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    3. Just prior to impact Shad yelled...there's going to be blood! Also if you watch the whole video the engine was stalling a bit when he took off. He was committed to the takeoff though. Watch the vid. I am so glad they all survived. I haven't heard much on how Shad is but poor Gentry! I hope they all recover quickly

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    4. Is there a whole unedited video out there that shows the takeoff and the engine stalling as you mentioned? The video I saw, from their Youtube, showed a whole lot of cuts during taxi, runup check and finally, 3 seconds of rear seats during what sounded like takeoff power and then about 5 seconds of just after takeoff with gear retraction being heard with a music track. There's no additional takeoff footage that I saw unless there's another video out there.

      Just before the actual takeoff, and I did hear this on the video that the pilot was doing a runup check, which does make the engine sound like it's surging. We are checking two ignition systems (left and right magnetos) and adjusting the prop governor, all to make sure the engine is working before deciding to fly.

      Now I haven't flown turbo charged engines yet, but from what I understand if it was a turbo failure, all that needed to be done was to go back to mixture leaning like we did with non turbo planes at 9000 ft (assuming that turbo failure was the problem, plus all the emergency checklist items that should have been memorized as a flow).

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  2. “It took about 12 seconds from that point to the time we touched down”

    Pilot only needed an 8 second ride - has Rodeo training.

    https://rodeonews.com/association/11110/

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    1. Wonder if the stall warning horn blew and he let go ...... ;)

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  3. There is more to this story for sure .... FAA will be very interested

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    1. Why ? It's a standard crash - engine failure and he handled it about as well as possible. Probably a turbocharger issue. Normal investigation for the NTSB. FAA won't get involved unless there was a violation.

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    2. If he had retracted the gear and kept the airplane level, the result would have been an almost normal landing. I don't detect "god's hand" in this at all. Sometimes things work out, sometimes they don't.
      Stuff happens.

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    3. "FAA won't get involved unless there was a violation."

      Actually considering there are potential life altering injuries and the totalled aircraft hull which will be a write-off, you can bet the FAA is going to investigate this - at the very bare minimum a request from the owner's aircraft insurance company.

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    4. Sorry to say but,always put the gear down unless your ditching. The landing gear absorbs most of the kinetic energy. He landed correctly.

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    5. "Sorry to say but,always put the gear down unless your ditching. " This is incorrect, you are much better off w/ the gear up when coming down on a field like this. you can see the effect here from having the gear down- the airplane pitches nose down, rather than sliding, and the g-loading is much higher.

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    6. And the POH for this aircraft says gear up for emergency landing on rough or soft terrain. See excerpt, below:

      https://dms.ntsb.gov/public/62000-62499/62024/622131.pdf

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    7. FAA doesn't investigate air crashes. That's the NTSB.

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    8. Wrong. FAA investigates ALL aviation accidents along with NTSB. NTSB determines probable cause. FAA determines any regulatory violations.

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  4. If you would easily land at the beach and let the landing gear retracted, you and your plane wouldnt have any scratch. Sure it´s easy to say this from the ground but it would be the right way in this case. The 210 lands smooth withot wheels in any soft enviorement. BUt ok nice you and your family are allive !! Super great

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    1. Yes it will, but a dead engine on an airplane does not have a horn to honk, as it glides silently over the beach and some folks might be walking the beach in the same direction. Happen years back in Florida, pilot lived but killed a mom and kid.

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    2. The "beach" is not like Daytona. Moon Lake shoreline near the campground area they landed on is not at all suitable. Dirt vehicle paths at the beach, maybe. Have a look:

      https://www.google.com/maps/place/40%C2%B034'09.8%22N+110%C2%B030'10.9%22W/@40.569399,-110.5052257,580m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d40.569399!4d-110.5030373

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    3. "folks might be walking the beach in the same direction. Happen years back in Florida, pilot lived but killed a mom and kid."

      I remember that well as one who learned how to fly at Eglin AFB in an aero club (Fort Walton Beach). The beach coast ran from Pensacola to Panama City and there were few areas in that 80 mile stretch where there were no people on it. Year round even with snowbirds in the winter there. Needless to say, the beach was never an option unless one could 100% confirm it was clear, and that is hard to do when you are managing airspeed and altitude while assessing multiple landing options. We always prepared to get wet if along the coast and a road was not an option (and upside down in a Skyhawk).

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    4. They did not have there shoulder harnesses on, that would have helped the pilot and passenger in the co pilot seat. That is why they installed them..

      Pilot..KLC

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  5. Gentry Mikesell's family posted a sofa chat youtube video about the crash. Three on the sofa were in the plane (daughter was not on the plane). They seem to be in good shape.

    They say they were coming over the mountain and setting up to go down and have a look at the lake, lowering gear and then "turbulence", pilot throttled up but power did not come. Sounds like he was establishing slow flight before the power loss ruined the day.

    Mr. Mikesell had made 4 videos during the flight before the crash. It seems certain that they would continue filming video at the lake. Airspeed and height above terrain when they lost power may have been chosen for best video flyby.

    "We SURVIVED a Plane CRASH!" video link:
    https://youtu.be/W_pVekhO-yU

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  6. Third photo of this instagram post shows plane orientation with lake in background:

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CDrer7Kgfo3/

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  7. Post includes short video onboard the Cessna earlier that day. Note the under wing mirror for visibility of landing gear. Nice plane.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CDq_DoSAklO/

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  8. Mmm so is his medical expired? if obtained in 2015.
    It will invalidate any insurance and the FAA will have to punish too as a violation of the federal regs. It also means his currency was sketchy at best.
    Even high time private pilots without any other rating will stale in their progress and the famous license to learn will be just a ticket to fly sporadically an aircraft and hopefully not become dangerous. The lack of seeking at least an instrument rating and his expired medical tell a deeper story of not really trying to improve over the year.
    As for the engine quitting a high density altitude with a too rich mixture can also shutdown a powerplant as I saw it happen many times, mostly for fuel injected engines.
    Another reason to always properly lean.

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    1. "The lack of seeking at least an instrument rating and his expired medical tell a deeper story of not really trying to improve over the year." And you base this inane statement on which set of given facts?

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    2. Why invent a story that the pilot is stale, sporadic and not improving? The 210 was his business airplane since mid 2018. Nothing has been publicized about hours flown.

      On the medical date: Pilot is 36. Before Covid-19, his medical was valid for the remainder of February in 2015 plus 60 additional months, making the expiration date April 1, 2020.

      Then there is the Covid-19 relief extension SFAR, which adds three additional months, making his expiration date July 1, 2020. If he took action to renew his medical before the accident flight, the AME would issue him the signed certificate.

      If he just recently saw the AME, the FAA database may not have caught up yet.

      FAA reference:
      https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/app_process/general/validity/
      "A third-class medical certificate is valid for the remainder of the month of issue; plus
      60 calendar months for operations requiring a third class medical certificate if the airman has not reached age 40 on or before the date of examination.


      Covid Special FAR:
      https://www.faa.gov/pilots/medical/
      "SFAR 118-1 grants relief to medical certificate privileges that expire from March 31, 2020 through August 31, 2020. This relief extends medical certificates for a maximum of three (3) additional months or until September 30, 2020, whichever occurs sooner."

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    3. Maybe he was legal regarding his medical as extended by the SFAR but his insurance will most likely cancel coverage as not subjected to governmental granted extensions. The AOPA actually put out a warning regarding this.
      The centurion is a high power complex aircraft capable of IFR flight... not sure why after all these years he didn't seek at least an instrument rating. And my inference is not insane, it is based on stats: VFR into IMC is the leading cause of fatalities for non instrument rated pilots.
      It is in fact described as the "rating that will save your life".
      90% of private pilots who get a rating and not seek an IFR will generally spend long periods of time not flying and for them the license was pretty much a bucket list item.
      Another factor here if one looks at small significant details is the fact he probably used the plane as an all you can eat buffet for tax deductions and business use as it is registered to a corporation... but the IRS will always question this intent if one has only a private pilot rating, hence why most business owners seek at least a commercial pilot license and even an instructor rating to nail the business intent without any doubts.
      I am sure the IRS would take an interest in his business usage of the aircraft following this highly publicized mishap using it for a family trip...

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    4. Interesting point about insurance handling of accidents that occur during a medical certificate extension under the SFAR. Imagine the fuss if advisory letters were not sent to customers, but premiums were still collected while policies were invalid.

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    5. Unlike for automobiles insurance for aircrafts isn't required believe it or not.
      Only part 135 operators need to have liability coverage.
      Say you win the lottery and buy yourself a Phenom 100... chances are the insurance on that puppy will set you back a cool million a year. But since you paid it cash you won't need to pay it at all and just hire a competent pilot as "insurance" while you get experience in the bird but without coverage.
      This can work in an ideal world of course and hence why the feds and regs don't require any sort of insurance when owning an airplane unlike for cars. Same as the registration fees being $5 and lasting 3 years. A small perk in an otherwise pretty expensive hobby.
      Here we don't even know if he had insurance or not and if he did, then there are specific conditions for coverage. And indeed one can suspend their insurance altogether and go commando so to speak if the SFAR tells you you can fly but on the other hand the insurance becomes ineffective.

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  9. Why extend the gear ? An airstrip nearby ? The description indicates gear was lowered before the 'power loss'.

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    1. According to the family members in their video, "Shad wanted to take us over this lake, we wanted to see the lake. As we came over the mountain Shad decided to pull out the landing gear, 'cause as we were coming down he wanted to slowly go down so we could see the lake better. And then we hit a pocket of turbulence and he went to give it a little more power, nothing was working, engine was running, just not power. He said I'm going to land this, hold on tight. We all thought he was joking..." He extended the gear to slow the aircraft so that they could enjoy the view of a lake.

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    2. Yeah he did not say "I'm going to land this thing"..He started saying " Be good!" and "relax" and his wife told him to "stop it" and he said I promise relax", then he says "We're going to land. Hang on tight, we're going to probably flip over" Then the stall alarm goes off and he checked flaps down, gear down and kept saying relax and be good then just before impact he yelled " Relax! relax! Be good! There's going to be blood!" then bam! They hit. There is a video of the entire crash on youtube. I know Mr. Mikesell suffered life altering injuries and last I heard Shad, the pilot, had no feeling in his legs. I am glad they all survived. How horrible to have that happen.

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  10. Something not quite right here - "lowered the gear for slow flight", "turbulence" , "over the mountain"...

    Some advice would be for the Youtube to be taken down immediately.

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    1. Some advice would be for the FAA to investigate immediately.

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    2. Based on video he lowered the gear because: yes, it might help to slow down but also to avoid a possible aural warning of gear not extended at slower speeds. Seems I heard some sort of warning tone and then what appears a gear in motion sound.

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  11. Only thing that I'd quarrel with is the decision to put the gear down. Upside is little or no damage, downside is, you end up on your back, But this is the 2nd best choice for any landing, everyone is alive. First is obviously the ability to walk away from the landing. No damage on 2 of the 3 prop blades.

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    1. Lack of visible ground strike scars in the helicopter views of the KSL-TV video is puzzling. Tweaked-under nose suggests sudden stop from nosegear embedding in the ground. Maybe he rolled on mains and then stubbed in.

      Perhaps the rear raised up for a "almost" flip but went back down hard and mashed the right main gear. No wrinkles to indicate hogging down of the tail section, though. Would have been interesting to see the ground under the plane after the take apart and move was done.

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    2. Looks like the aircraft stalled in from about 100' AGL. Keep the nose down, stall speed increases with an aircraft fully loaded...

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  12. Drone flight video of the lake from 2017, area of crash is on left at the 5 minute mark:

    https://youtu.be/kGCaYvwBF8I

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  13. It will probably be some stupid like he ran out of gas or accidentally hit the high pressure fuel pump switch.

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    1. Or they might not determine the cause. See similar T210M accident in 2018 that lost power on throttle adjustment.

      http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2019/04/cessna-t210m-turbo-centurion-personal.html

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    2. About the gas, during the warm-up the video shows 20 gallons left tank, and 10 gallons right tank, with fuel selector on right tank

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    3. I suspect he forgot to switch fuel tanks and simply ran out of fuel resulting in the gradual loss of power and pilot saying 'I don't understand this'.

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    4. The video does show him switching to the left tank just before the cut to the next scene (unless there's another video out there that's unedited, it would be nice but that's probably best to not be public too, let NTSB investigate while we guess at the right answer and see who's right, when it's finally revealed. Enough, okay so anyways, there's so many quick cuts in the video you have to pay attention or reduce playback speed, lol.

      So assuming it's not a fuel gauge malfunction (we're supposed to visually and physically inspect and measure fuel before each flight, so we know if we have a malfunction or not with a gauge, or leaks); 30 gallons (1.75 hours) total fuel on a turbo T210M that consumes up to 17 gal/hr, starting on the 20 gal tank (1.15 hours). The other tank has 10 gal (0.6 hrs). More endurance if not at full power the whole time (15 gal/hr for cruise perhaps)!

      It looks-like the flight was about 18 minutes (0.3 hrs) on a tracking site but there's nothing on NTSB since the 1983 incident with water in the fuel. Seems like the flight just started, so something must have failed with all that fuel still on board, glad there was no fire and everyone survived.

      Switching to the right tank again...he would have had at least 15 gal (a whole hour) still on the current tank and 0.5 hrs on the right. If he did use all of the left tank fuel, he should at least have an airport (Provo perhaps) right in front of him intending to land for fuel. VFR required minimum reserves fuel is 30 minutes so....about 7 gallons on landing.

      With that, do we have additional information to even assume anything yet?

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  14. Pilot has posted his story of the crash to Instagram. Details from 1:35 mark onward include height, speed, flaps, gear operation, power setting/response and landing. Details at 11:15 about flight time duration and fuel quantity in each tank. Details at 12:28 about years flown and some bush pilot training.

    He pulled the gear back up after the engine faltered, putting it back down after he was confident of making it across the lake.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CDz5fhdJJdt/

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  15. A+ for keeping those "T210" fuel tanks intact!

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  16. Family has posted new video with footage taken from inside during power loss and landing. Skip to the six minute mark to see the lake overflight and descent.

    https://youtu.be/kMzjf6K0ll0

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  17. Any landing everybody lives to fly another day is a good one.

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  18. Turbo locked up. From the position he was in I would say he did a pretty good job. If this forum had a AQL (armchair quarter back league) it would have plenty of walk-on tryouts !!

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  19. From the video of the crash the family posted it looks like he was not pitching for best glide. It looked like he had plenty of room in the sage brush field, I am not sure why he was so intent on trying to slow the plane down to as slow as possible before touchdown. He mentioned that in his instragram video linked above that he was trying to make it stall right before touchdown. Just pitch for best glide and come in on the slow end of your approach speed and roll it out. This is all said in complete hindsight and everyone came out alive which is the best part. But a reminder for all to practice your engine out landings. You should be spring loaded to pitch for best glide when you feel the engine go out.

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    1. I think this sums it up for me too - what a horrible nightmare to have happened, but playing complete armchair/hindsight, I too wondered why he didn't aim for more room straight ahead to float it down vs stalling down like a rock while making a turn at the last second. He mentions in the instagram video he took a bush flying course one summer in Alaska, maybe in the heat of the moment he thought he'd be able to drop it gently out of the air like a bush plane? I think that's pretty much how he ended up landing anyways. I can't speculate - I'm just glad they all made it out and their recoveries go well.

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  20. The aeroplane could have been landed and flown out of that field if he had just ensured he didn't stall. Just a few more feet before the wings stalled would have had them rolling out unscathed. Nose down to keep wing from stalling at any cost!!

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  21. I want to see what the inspection of the engine shows, and the log book. I am a retired A&P, I.A. (42 years in the business.) I had a Beech Baron land at the field I worked at after it suffered a left engine failure. I wondered how it flew and landed safely after seeing the result of the failure. There was a 6 inch hole in the top cowling where a piece of the camshaft went through after the crankshaft broke. The prop was not feathered because the crankcase also broke just aft of the two front cylinders. The only thing holding the front of the crankcase, with two cylinders attached was the oil pan. The prop was hanging down about 25 degrees below level. One lucky guy!
    I want to concur with others statements about the lack of airspeed on approach to the selected landing spot, and the possibility of turbo failure or lack of leaning for altitude. But, we shall see. It appears there was rising terrain just above the beach and he probably made the left turn to parallel the contour of the land as going straight without power would have caused more injuries. But the stall at that turn made for quite an impact. A water landing with gear up might have meant fewer injuries, but who knows? Reference the Cessna Caravan (fixed gear)that made a successful water landing next to one of the Hawaiian Islands, or Capt. Sullenberger in the Hudson River. I hope all involved make full recoveries and thanks to them for telling the story.

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    1. Mr A&P, if you read this again, what do you think:
      Why did the engine stop producing sufficient power? From the video posted, pilot did not lean his mixture for taxi 4:42. First clue. If you carefully stop the video at 7:20 after the power loss, notice the mixture control is still in the full rich position. Engine won't make power at that altitude because of less air available without lessening the amount of fuel going to the engine. Standard practice which must be followed in "Density Altitude" situations with this type of engine. In other words, 'lean' the fuel mixture so it will run correctly. That is not an option, it is required. Fuel mixture leaning is the purpose of the red handle control knob coming out of the dash. Here, critical components of the engine probably 'loaded up' with unburned deposits from habitual improper leaning, building up prior to this flight, and then it came time to choke down. Glad they survived, but this should not have happened because very likely was no accident, but pilot error. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMzjf6K0ll0

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  22. 210s are "slippery" in a descent and the gear is incredibly draggy when down. if you want to go down and slow down, you put the gear down. once it's down, it can stay down to a very high speed. very common to have it down when getting dropped in to an approach by atc for managing speed and keeping engine happy. i've flown 210s with "proper" speed brakes and ones with "gear down" speed brakes... the gear work much better.

    i will be interested to hear what happened here, but the engines on the 210 (and 206) have a tendency to be finicky coming back up to power after a power-off descent (i've had them cough on me many times in different planes pushing the power back up at bottom of descent)... i wouldn't recommend power-idle descents to any of my students.

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  23. A lot of the debate talks about how the aircraft was being flown. Engines stop suddenly (it did here) for a large part of the flight the aircraft was flying somewhere engine failure would kill. Why were the passengers not made aware of this (children). If you fly a single engined aircraft anywhere where an engine failure means almost certain death everyone on board should be aware.

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  24. All I can say if like to fly low over wooded areas, and lakes buy a bush plane 31" tires maybe a carbon cub. If you want to fly places fast stay high enough can glide out of the mountains always stay with in gliding distance of an airstrip.

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  25. Looks like this aircraft had a prior engine out (water in fuel related) hard landing a long time ago...

    https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGeneratorFile.ashx?EventID=20001214X42456&AKey=1&RType=Final&IType=FA

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    1. Seems doubtful that they were overweight. The plane has a useful load around 1700 lbs. In the pilots account he says he had 23 gallons of fuel in the left tank and 17 in the right. No way to know for certain but I'd assume with only 40 gallons + passengers they'd be well below that.

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  27. Why did the engine stop producing sufficient power? From the video posted, pilot did not lean his mixture for taxi 4:42. First clue. If you carefully stop the video at 7:20 after the power loss, notice the mixture control is still in the full rich position. Engine won't make power at that altitude because of less air available without lessening the amount of fuel going to the engine. Standard practice which must be followed in "Density Altitude" situations with this type of engine. In other words, 'lean' the fuel mixture so it will run correctly. That is not an option, it is required. Fuel mixture leaning is the purpose of the red handle control knob coming out of the dash. Here, critical components of the engine probably 'loaded up' with unburned deposits from habitual improper leaning, building up prior to this flight, and then it came time to choke down. Glad they survived, but this should not have happened because very likely was no accident, but pilot error. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMzjf6K0ll0

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  28. On ground in the video pilot select right fuel tank. I wonder if amongst all the excitement of his passengers he forgot to switch fuel tanks, which is done manually. Engine gradually losing power is points toward fuel starvation.

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