tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post9072901663227471293..comments2024-03-28T21:15:11.065-04:00Comments on Kathryn's Report: Fuel Starvation: Cessna 172M Skyhawk, N80457; accident occurred July 13, 2017 in Key Biscayne, Miami-Dade County, FloridaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-22573805301441708172019-08-15T10:23:21.900-04:002019-08-15T10:23:21.900-04:00Regarding a small aircraft, he/she would be correc...Regarding a small aircraft, he/she would be correct!! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-35868158139200659312019-08-14T20:53:00.740-04:002019-08-14T20:53:00.740-04:00I was taught to always top off the tanks before a ...I was taught to always top off the tanks before a flight and ALWAYS on a night flight. My CFII told me the only time you can have too much fuel is when you're on fire!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-7333516024523050102019-08-09T11:17:59.223-04:002019-08-09T11:17:59.223-04:00I see your mode of thinking. I think you might be ...I see your mode of thinking. I think you might be correct. At the planned conclusion of the training flight, there would have been enough fuel left in the operable tank to enable the engine to operate if topping off the tanks were completed. <br /><br />Twenty-five years ago, one of my first CFI's told me, 97% of aviation is judgement. The other 3% I will teach you. POWERFUL statement.<br /><Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-44714638947047064672019-08-09T10:00:57.645-04:002019-08-09T10:00:57.645-04:00Well now, simple logic here my friend. Maybe compr...Well now, simple logic here my friend. Maybe comprehension is not the posters best attribute but, if you “top-off” the two (2) fuel tanks, which was NOT the case here, you would have had more than 1 gallon, and feeding, from the fuel tank that was obviously contributing to normal engine operation. <br /><br />Since they didn’t fill the tanks, the fuel in the working fuel tank was the ONLY fuel Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-10454471847420398212019-08-09T09:50:56.939-04:002019-08-09T09:50:56.939-04:00The CFI went ahead and added a power off landing l...The CFI went ahead and added a power off landing lesson to the two instrument approaches - free of charge. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-91387084062517580222019-08-08T16:47:56.066-04:002019-08-08T16:47:56.066-04:00"Less than 1 gallon of fuel was drained from ..."Less than 1 gallon of fuel was drained from the left fuel tank, while about 10 gallons of fuel were drained from the right fuel tank....the right fuel tank strainer, part number 0422130 was nearly completely blocked by organic material." <br /><br />This is why my instructor(s) always taught me to keep an eye on the fuel gauges if selecting feeding from both tanks to ensure both are Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-67832041321813570572019-08-08T15:25:11.895-04:002019-08-08T15:25:11.895-04:00This is why our 172 SOP/Checklist calls for start-...This is why our 172 SOP/Checklist calls for start-up on the right tank and then switch to left tank for taxi and then Both for the rest...interesting to know if the snag would have shown up then when running on the individual tanks? Any thoughts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-62418749636371800792019-08-08T15:19:09.322-04:002019-08-08T15:19:09.322-04:00You "have always taught".... read the re...You "have always taught".... read the reports thoroughly before posting with some unjustified sense of moral superiority. Lack of fuel on board was NOT the issue! Even with full tanks if they'd flown long enough the real culprit would have gotten somebody. <br /><br />So you don't have to read in it's entirety here is the salient point of the report:<br />"...fuel Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-68582621927620603572019-08-08T10:10:06.751-04:002019-08-08T10:10:06.751-04:00I have always taught and mandated from my CFI cand...I have always taught and mandated from my CFI candidates and students to ALWAYS fill the aircraft up before departure. ALWAYS, especially at night. No excuses. I do feel this would have made a difference here. Very sad!! Glad all survived. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-82526638933969909852019-08-07T20:57:33.376-04:002019-08-07T20:57:33.376-04:00They broke the back of that poor old bird. RIP Sky...They broke the back of that poor old bird. RIP SkyhawkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com