tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post8925165509639074074..comments2024-03-26T09:35:29.969-04:00Comments on Kathryn's Report: Cessna 172 Skyhawk, N6413B: Fatal accident occurred May 03, 2022 near Calhoun County Airport (F95), Blountstown, Florida Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-76233981774670966142022-08-27T23:04:57.967-04:002022-08-27T23:04:57.967-04:00That’s wrong both rear passenger where under 170That’s wrong both rear passenger where under 170Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-68901817750350352182022-07-02T18:52:55.898-04:002022-07-02T18:52:55.898-04:00High angle of attack was reported. Couple that wit...High angle of attack was reported. Couple that with 4 big guys and high DA and the result is what happened. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-88781471709345033852022-05-20T17:43:23.301-04:002022-05-20T17:43:23.301-04:00NTSB prelim came out. Apparently they took on ful...NTSB prelim came out. Apparently they took on full fuel (42gal) before takeoff. 42gal weighs 252 lbs, add that to the 172L stock empty weight and that leaves 683 lbs before you exceed the 2200 lbs max takeoff weight. The four of them would have to weigh no more than an average of 170 lbs fully clothed to not illegally exceed max gross weight. Not going to say anything other than look at the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-44688001367050528192022-05-10T18:50:02.140-04:002022-05-10T18:50:02.140-04:004 big boys on a 172. Need we say more. Two with a ...4 big boys on a 172. Need we say more. Two with a full load of fuel can get heavy given Density alt. and runway length. I've done 4 on board with the 172 and its always very light fuel and conditions seriously taken into the equation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-73608233907927624592022-05-10T13:00:18.241-04:002022-05-10T13:00:18.241-04:00The two passengers in the back were the survivors....The two passengers in the back were the survivors. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-4034555621982106412022-05-09T19:03:11.980-04:002022-05-09T19:03:11.980-04:00Those shoulder-to-shoulder guys in the front seat ...Those shoulder-to-shoulder guys in the front seat are at least 3 bills apiece. Do the math.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756372638733298816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-14487129631560749772022-05-09T16:41:35.763-04:002022-05-09T16:41:35.763-04:00Over the years I've had several fellow GA pilo...Over the years I've had several fellow GA pilots invite me along on a flight, only to be met with indignation or insults when I ask questions simply in the interest of my own safety. I learned to fly with several different instructors because the flight school was near Baltimore and there was just a revolving door of CFI's building time to get to the regionals. Sometimes it was Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-27746425077790748842022-05-09T15:18:41.261-04:002022-05-09T15:18:41.261-04:00Reasonable mathReasonable mathAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-844055753154340142022-05-08T10:54:34.938-04:002022-05-08T10:54:34.938-04:00It is clearly obvious as to what the probable caus...It is clearly obvious as to what the probable cause is and the most unfortunate thing is that this type of accident will happen again and again , and the only thing that will change will be the names of people killed. .<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-3971861313501316692022-05-07T15:09:12.276-04:002022-05-07T15:09:12.276-04:00All my flying is G/A and Airline flying, I was ref...All my flying is G/A and Airline flying, I was referring to being a passenger 2 or 3 times in a plane where the pilot flying was not a Professional Pilot...I feel it is important for people who work at airports or those that are Pilots and see something that appears to be dangerous to inform all involved of the potential danger ie. weather, winds, W/B issues ect..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-79631815558985075812022-05-07T09:30:11.950-04:002022-05-07T09:30:11.950-04:00"Tired of seeing all these non aviation victi..."Tired of seeing all these non aviation victims crawling in an airplane with someone who is supposedly a great person and pilot and end up in a ball of fire...Some of this information needs to get out in the real world so people can get educated as to the dangers of G/A flying....And it's not the airplane 80% of the time."<br /><br />No argument with that. I misunderstood your Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-82612419529839254812022-05-07T08:01:40.792-04:002022-05-07T08:01:40.792-04:00Randy McCroan was flying helicopter pot patch surv...Randy McCroan was flying helicopter pot patch surveillance way back in 2011, so you would expect his helicopter experience to have sensitized him to weight and balance. <br /><br />The original pax plan may have gotten one or two added at the time people arrived to get on and he just got talked into the over-max loading.<br /><br />2011 news report of pot patch flyover:<br />https://Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-78704020819921181292022-05-06T23:11:44.217-04:002022-05-06T23:11:44.217-04:00The W&B of a O-300 powered Cessna limits front...The W&B of a O-300 powered Cessna limits front seat load to 400lb to begin with. If those people were good sized americans from today's times not the 1960s indeed the fact 4 of them were onboard such a small plane is borderline violation of 91.13, Luckily we have 2 survivors who may shed light on it, or not, depending on what their counsel might advise. Since both pax in the back died theAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-91951086373156931222022-05-06T22:38:26.908-04:002022-05-06T22:38:26.908-04:00My very first flight after receiving my Private Pi...My very first flight after receiving my Private Pilot license in a Cessna 150 was taking a SR-71 Pilot to another airport. Yes I was intimidated, I was a 2 striper in the Air Force.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-1042807679264948452022-05-06T22:31:50.723-04:002022-05-06T22:31:50.723-04:00Yes it is awesome stuff...Tired of seeing all thes...Yes it is awesome stuff...Tired of seeing all these non aviation victims crawling in an airplane with someone who is supposedly a great person and pilot and end up in a ball of fire...Some of this information needs to get out in the real world so people can get educated as to the dangers of G/A flying....And it's not the airplane 80% of the time...Yes I've had a couple of close calls in Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-29654609271146911002022-05-06T20:20:04.636-04:002022-05-06T20:20:04.636-04:00What "report"?What "report"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-35889893939081212352022-05-06T19:47:21.469-04:002022-05-06T19:47:21.469-04:00There is no mention of the pilot's total time ...There is no mention of the pilot's total time as fixed-wing PIC. Report does state that he had a rating for helicopter. Report is too vague. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-70836961556373232962022-05-06T18:55:00.326-04:002022-05-06T18:55:00.326-04:00300 lb person in the back. Yeah probably not but p...300 lb person in the back. Yeah probably not but people are creative.<br /><br />Not be aware of wt/balance. I agree, that seems odd. The takeoff roll and feel should have been different. <br /><br />"people that aren't pilots have zero knowledge or sense of what flying is all about". Ya think?<br /><br />In 24,000 hours (no decimal point?) you've only flown with professional Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-73761354694693238392022-05-06T16:08:49.468-04:002022-05-06T16:08:49.468-04:00I knew the people I'm a Calhoun county local t...I knew the people I'm a Calhoun county local they were possibly over weight or out of cg limits no one knows right now it's a small town we're all in shock stillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-5530709950908140622022-05-06T15:37:23.079-04:002022-05-06T15:37:23.079-04:00I would think it would be impossible to get 2 adul...I would think it would be impossible to get 2 adults in the back seat if one was 300 lbs..So I question that and how could a Pilot not be aware of the W/B issues with that..Also it is becoming very obvious that people who are not pilots have zero knowledge or sense of what flying is all about, like maybe questioning the safety of impending flight/pilot..I have 24,000 hours and can maybe count on Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-68625305028721958922022-05-06T13:50:22.295-04:002022-05-06T13:50:22.295-04:00That's insane for multiple reasons. Those wei...That's insane for multiple reasons. Those weights would put them about 200-300 lbs over and CG way too far aft. The heaviest passengers always need to sit in front even if you are under max gross weight to have any hope of proper CG in a 172. I once gave a ride to a friend and his girlfriend and had to make her sit in front because she weighed 50 lbs more than him. I had to be very Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-67144936908337585072022-05-06T11:36:46.210-04:002022-05-06T11:36:46.210-04:00I trained in C150's and C152's. The C172 w...I trained in C150's and C152's. The C172 was a "step up" back in the 80's. Back then I flew newer C172's and didn't experience the lower power C172B until recently. I learned a lot about flying from flying a C17B out of an airport on top of a mesa at 5,600' that often sees DA of 9,000' or more in the summer. It requires attention to rudder and airspeed to getMikeLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17016462438630782612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-35250243260369285112022-05-06T10:06:20.839-04:002022-05-06T10:06:20.839-04:00One of the passengers in the back was over 300lbs....One of the passengers in the back was over 300lbs. The two in the front were both 250-ish. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-39765108005844295152022-05-05T23:09:22.313-04:002022-05-05T23:09:22.313-04:00Google earth shows that airport is/was a mess with...Google earth shows that airport is/was a mess with all kinds of storm damage to the larger buildings, Flyin and FBO Grand opening next weekend....crash will be a mood killer..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-11162067901050409272022-05-05T21:19:46.139-04:002022-05-05T21:19:46.139-04:00I could never quite understand why Cessna made the...I could never quite understand why Cessna made the earlier models of the under-powered four-seated 172 aircraft. Yet many a student pilot trained in them. Any comments? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com