tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post7026003129471870195..comments2024-03-28T21:15:11.065-04:00Comments on Kathryn's Report: Loss of Control in Flight: Cessna 421 Golden Eagle, N731PF; fatal accident occurred September 29, 2019 in DeLand, Volusia County, Florida Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-18648151301389861832020-02-05T21:03:28.720-05:002020-02-05T21:03:28.720-05:00If the pilot rated passenger "the guy in the ...If the pilot rated passenger "the guy in the picture chomping on the cigar and claiming to be such a great business man" was an owner of multiple businesses and strutting around in $1000 dollar business suits then why did his girlfriend (the women that died in this crash also) have to work at IHOP? That dude has criminal written all over his face. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-8607140835686878532019-10-25T07:18:24.167-04:002019-10-25T07:18:24.167-04:00I have flown the B and C model 421. Very comfortab...I have flown the B and C model 421. Very comfortable plane with both engines turning. Not a plane I would ever want to be with an engine out. I always thought of the 425 as a 421 with enough power ... One or both engines turning.<br /><br />The 421 is also a very complex airplane that requires smooth hands on the throttles and skilled hands on the mechanic and hands full of money from the owner.<Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-81286956013419558622019-10-24T10:02:21.747-04:002019-10-24T10:02:21.747-04:00Another reason for an owner of any plane to lock i...Another reason for an owner of any plane to lock it and let no one access it under any circumstances. The same as a firearm.<br /><br />This is why all planes rather rot of misuse than be left to be used by anyone... US tort law. It is better to have them rust and decay than risk even to the slightest anyone else flying them and the catastrophic consequences of that person's lack of judgementMarcPilotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-87186186819961637912019-10-24T08:24:58.398-04:002019-10-24T08:24:58.398-04:00Well I'll not make any guesses as to what went...Well I'll not make any guesses as to what went wrong with this Joy Ride..... I will say Peace and Love be with the families of these <br />folks.Iron Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02758133597162804358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-20443050238855095132019-10-21T10:31:48.778-04:002019-10-21T10:31:48.778-04:00Tragic and senseless.Tragic and senseless.Kirk D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12615132551455004767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-77416436820896282782019-10-20T18:16:39.443-04:002019-10-20T18:16:39.443-04:00Another guess, Insects and their nests clogged the...Another guess, Insects and their nests clogged the fuel vent lines and created and a fuel flow issue. A plane sitting 7 years in Florida is bound to have some nests.<br /><br /> On short ground run ups the problem would not be apparent. After 5-10 minutes of full power it would create a vacuum in the tanks and starve the engines. I have seen this in single engine planes, I do not know anything J-https://www.blogger.com/profile/03434348320884787756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-38068337631746267222019-10-20T13:24:06.087-04:002019-10-20T13:24:06.087-04:00I’m guessing the fuel boost pumps where set on hig...I’m guessing the fuel boost pumps where set on high boost and Flooded out the engines. if he’s only operated Lycomings in the past. we will find out in the report. should have never tried to fly that aircraft with 40 hrs. TT twin time 😔Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-53027745206808858522019-10-20T09:41:31.663-04:002019-10-20T09:41:31.663-04:00There is only one way a tree can impale that fusel...There is only one way a tree can impale that fuselage like that (and anyone unfortunate enough to be sitting in that right front seat): the aircraft came in with no forward velocity meaning it was a spin in and based on the cabin and all four corners being intact on the scene, it was a flat spin and they pancaked in. It's like something out of the Final Destination movies. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-82776478875767954802019-10-20T07:29:37.991-04:002019-10-20T07:29:37.991-04:00Jail time for Embry–Riddle Aeronautical University...Jail time for Embry–Riddle Aeronautical University?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-90880994992928810622019-10-20T03:47:00.682-04:002019-10-20T03:47:00.682-04:00Someone needs to go to jailSomeone needs to go to jailAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-74025286089717988732019-10-19T21:40:04.713-04:002019-10-19T21:40:04.713-04:00Poster's Transcript of LiveATC file KDED-Sep-2...<b>Poster's Transcript of LiveATC file KDED-Sep-29-2019-1930Z.mp3</b><br /><br />Although <i>"There were no ATC services and no voice communications with ATC" (NTSB Preliminary Report)</i>, there were CTAF communications.<br />I have transcribed them from the LiveATC file, KDED-Sep-29-2019-1930Z.mp3.<br /><br />* Communications not from or directly related to N731PF are excluded.<brAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-83516220696984940652019-10-19T21:38:36.395-04:002019-10-19T21:38:36.395-04:00Poster's Transcript of LiveATC file KDED-Sep-2...<b>Poster's Transcript of LiveATC file KDED-Sep-29-2019-1930Z.mp3</b><br /><br />Although <i>"There were no ATC services and no voice communications with ATC" (NTSB Preliminary Report)</i>, there were CTAF communications.<br />I have transcribed them from the LiveATC file, KDED-Sep-29-2019-1930Z.mp3.<br /><br />* Communications not from or directly related to N731PF are excluded.<brAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-30538187040961992022019-10-19T19:39:47.819-04:002019-10-19T19:39:47.819-04:00Take a look at the very first pic. look how clean ...Take a look at the very first pic. look how clean the cut is on the left hand side of the cockpit. Thru the windshield back to the door. Curious about the blade and saw they used to get thru the aluminum, Plexiglas. plastic and wire so clean and straight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-7880390744486550702019-10-19T18:58:29.348-04:002019-10-19T18:58:29.348-04:00I hadn't noticed that tree. Wow. How is tha...I hadn't noticed that tree. Wow. How is that even possible? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17546411934014547219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-30914112715262342022019-10-18T20:45:51.089-04:002019-10-18T20:45:51.089-04:00That tree through the right side of the cockpit is...That tree through the right side of the cockpit is right through that right seat. I shudder thinking of that having spent many hours right seat in a 414 which was a lower powered version of the same aircraft. These things are beasts and not for the green lower tiered twin pilot which this sounds suspect as the case. Let alone one in questionable airworthiness and history. Would never have set Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-58741888453587894392019-10-18T20:10:55.033-04:002019-10-18T20:10:55.033-04:00I dislike tattooed people. And this is fully legal...I dislike tattooed people. And this is fully legal as they are not a protected class. God the tats on that woman are tasteless... <br /><br />That aside it does look like a Ferry Bueller gone wrong. Another reason most airplanes owners never let anyone have access to their planes.<br /><br />Plain old liability. Whoever brought this bird will face a 7-8 figures lawsuit just by sitting on their MarcPilotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-4976612678842228272019-10-18T13:17:53.806-04:002019-10-18T13:17:53.806-04:00So very sad.So very sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-86038965462628015742019-10-18T09:35:41.562-04:002019-10-18T09:35:41.562-04:00It looks like there is very little tree damage aro...It looks like there is very little tree damage around the accident site and in the last picture there is a tree impaled through the copilots side of the cockpit. There are broken limbs at the top of the same tree. It seems there was very little forward momentum which would indicate a flat spin but how that would develop at such a low altitude is beyond me.Skyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05818956998564013157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-65808549436783474962019-10-17T19:27:16.961-04:002019-10-17T19:27:16.961-04:00I can almost guarantee there was no insurance on t...I can almost guarantee there was no insurance on the plane. If there was it most likely had a non-movement policy. <br />Like I said before this one is going to be a legal nightmare with no winners, not even the lawyers.<br /> J-https://www.blogger.com/profile/03434348320884787756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-43696409792631428662019-10-17T18:31:56.202-04:002019-10-17T18:31:56.202-04:00It's a wonder insurance co.s are still willing...It's a wonder insurance co.s are still willing to insure light planes at all considering the hijinks involved in so many of these accidents.CFI no mo'https://www.blogger.com/profile/04667716301835105268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-72000200447471735822019-10-17T16:08:22.602-04:002019-10-17T16:08:22.602-04:00Sounds like low time pilot took his friends on a j...Sounds like low time pilot took his friends on a joyride for the rest of their life.Bryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00554009588650698895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-81286708857539298852019-10-17T10:28:44.070-04:002019-10-17T10:28:44.070-04:00This whole thing stinks. I know a guy who looked ...This whole thing stinks. I know a guy who looked at the plane a year ago and said it was a part out plane at best. The plane was sold to a guy in TN then he sold it to a guy in TX who says he was going to repair it and sell it. 3 flips on one plane. Everyone knew the plane was way out of annual and needed a lot of expensive work. The mechanic did the inspection and then reassembled a 421 Chillywindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17303534826611881012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-21825491236033933692019-10-17T10:02:14.947-04:002019-10-17T10:02:14.947-04:00This one will play out in the courts for years. Wh...This one will play out in the courts for years. What a messJ-https://www.blogger.com/profile/03434348320884787756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-54930113108754399002019-10-17T03:16:04.586-04:002019-10-17T03:16:04.586-04:00Incomplete maint., no sign-off, no training (maybe...Incomplete maint., no sign-off, no training (maybe), no annual, no nothing. Horrible ADM all over.<br /><br />Ok, when accidents happen, they say not one but many broken things have to stack up before an accident can actually take over. This time, just about EVERYTHING was broken from the beginning. <br /><br />He should have rented a 172 at a local flight school. If he did so, they'd Wanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06836182091634634705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-49096205175635515022019-10-16T23:56:17.909-04:002019-10-16T23:56:17.909-04:00I'm a bit confused...
Was this a familiarizati...I'm a bit confused...<br />Was this a familiarization flight in an aircraft not yet certified as airworthy by a pilot surrogate of the pilot hired to ferry said aircraft once it was deemed airworthy ?<br /><br />or was this the aviation equivalent of a Ferris Bueller joyride with tragic consequences ?<br /><br />The Final Report Docket should be very interesting<br /><br />No matter ... RIP cunn9305https://www.blogger.com/profile/07470501530647256243noreply@blogger.com