tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post6881943044453796403..comments2024-03-26T09:35:29.969-04:00Comments on Kathryn's Report: Structural Icing: Cirrus SR22 GTS, N809SR; fatal accident occurred May 24, 2019 in Grover, Wayne County, UtahUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-49661213654127451962023-08-08T13:01:32.530-04:002023-08-08T13:01:32.530-04:00steve@mann.wssteve@mann.wsSteveMannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12970435031364389076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-44045068808762215932020-07-12T12:05:19.537-04:002020-07-12T12:05:19.537-04:00Thank you for letting me know you witnessed the pl...Thank you for letting me know you witnessed the plane going down and the presence of the dark cloud. I do know that Chris had recently been examined to renew his pilot license. So to my knowledge he was in good health. Mother of female victimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09052115355264667752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-6763235644099010992020-07-12T12:02:43.443-04:002020-07-12T12:02:43.443-04:00Thank you very much !
Thank you very much !<br />Mother of female victimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09052115355264667752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-10744942274515484402020-07-12T12:00:15.355-04:002020-07-12T12:00:15.355-04:00I am Lynn’s mother. We did hear from the board at...I am Lynn’s mother. We did hear from the board at the one year point and they said it would take them longer to determine the reason for the accident.<br />I appreciate you writing. How would I contact you and your wife to give you the information on the final report when it comes?Mother of female victimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09052115355264667752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-12180133646552041222020-07-12T11:57:19.797-04:002020-07-12T11:57:19.797-04:00I am Lynn’s mother and would like to thank you bot...I am Lynn’s mother and would like to thank you both for reporting what you saw. I fear it might have been a long time before the wreckage was discovered if it hadn’t been for you.Mother of female victimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09052115355264667752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-63073242840875189682019-09-21T16:32:40.198-04:002019-09-21T16:32:40.198-04:00To Picturelady:
My wife knew both Chris and Lynn....To Picturelady:<br /><br />My wife knew both Chris and Lynn. My wife worked for Chris for years as employee number three and was friends with Lynn who was a co-worker at the time. Ignore the second-guessers. I am also a private pilot with more than 2,000 hours, and when I lose a friend to an aviation accident, I spend the next year or more wondering what could have gone wrong. <br /><br />I SteveMannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12970435031364389076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-34385883849318811932019-06-23T13:22:57.591-04:002019-06-23T13:22:57.591-04:00picturelady:
I understand your grief and my condo...picturelady:<br /><br />I understand your grief and my condoleances but do you know what to look for in a private or commercial pilot to make sure they are safe to take your daughter, regardless of the fact they are your daughter's husband?<br /><br />From what you write about him telling you that the plane had a parachute and you not knowing a Cirrus always had a ballistic parachute (Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-36840965632773647032019-06-06T19:30:52.845-04:002019-06-06T19:30:52.845-04:00I can remember a time when airplanes didn't ha...<br />I can remember a time when airplanes didn't have parachutes. Real pilots had to fly them from startup to shutdown.<br />Actually there were two safety mechanisms and I know for a fact the pilot didn't use the first one (correctly) or we wouldn't be reading this. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-8952668872282139192019-06-06T16:17:32.141-04:002019-06-06T16:17:32.141-04:00To this poster .... " Is it the manufacturer&...To this poster .... " Is it the manufacturer's fault that the one safety mechanism which would have prevented this accident wasn't used? Who knows why the chute wasn't chosen but blaming the manufacturer for the character and ability of the operator is poor character in itself."<br /><br />How do you know the chute wasn't used but failed?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-17048449574487947582019-06-06T10:56:54.338-04:002019-06-06T10:56:54.338-04:00
My husband and I witnessed the plane go down. It...<br />My husband and I witnessed the plane go down. It crashed in a beautiful and remote area of Utah with views of Capitol Reef National Park and Boulder Mountain. It was partly cloudy and there was a large dark cloud above us. Could there have been a medical problem? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-9184793241996828772019-06-05T16:04:02.274-04:002019-06-05T16:04:02.274-04:00To the above commentator, WELL SAID. As recreation...To the above commentator, WELL SAID. As recreational pilots weather is a deal breaker. If we absolutely have to be somewhere at a certain time, take a commercial flight and leave the flying to the pros.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-75627319333042901762019-06-05T11:28:36.383-04:002019-06-05T11:28:36.383-04:00This accident, like many others on this site, is t...This accident, like many others on this site, is tragic. My heart goes out to all those connected to this couple. I personally read this blog in the hopes that it will make me a better pilot, and perhaps it will help me avoid becoming an entry in this report. I am 62 and have only been flying 4 years now, accumulating 500 hours. I have my instrument rating and keep it current, but do not considerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-81576976527468202112019-06-04T23:04:55.485-04:002019-06-04T23:04:55.485-04:00A flying school owner once told me ... "You k...A flying school owner once told me ... "You know, these small airplanes, even though certificated to, do not belong in weather. Period."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-16380132745764868122019-06-04T19:03:29.033-04:002019-06-04T19:03:29.033-04:00For those here that are related to, or the close f...For those here that are related to, or the close friends of both victims, my sincere condolences. I’m an aviator, both military and civilian of many years, I can tell you that few aviation tragedies rarely make sense nor do they offer answers.<br />No matter what aircraft you fly, no matter your credentials or experience .. encounters with severe weather can and do exceed the aircraft design andLt Col Camillerinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-72580781709743412332019-06-03T11:25:55.991-04:002019-06-03T11:25:55.991-04:00So now we have a commenter suggesting that it is t...So now we have a commenter suggesting that it is the fault of the manufacturer, Cirrus, for building a popular, safe, and efficient product that thousands of people do, and many more want to own? It is the manufacturer's fault that the one safety mechanism which would have prevented this accident wasn't used? There is something called personal responsibility, and over the many years I'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-53244675776220993012019-06-02T22:55:28.861-04:002019-06-02T22:55:28.861-04:00I was not suggesting people were floating or flyin...<br />I was not suggesting people were floating or flying around in the cabin, a SR22 isn't even a cabin class airplane. That is >silly< of you to suggest it. I merely suggested they were being bounced/tossed around in their seat up/down/left/right. I've seen lap belts literally pulled from their anchor points in severe turbulence.<br /><br />It appears to be a loss of control in Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-35990184117839253872019-06-02T18:45:31.628-04:002019-06-02T18:45:31.628-04:00N809SR was maintained out of WVFC at KPAO. I knew ...N809SR was maintained out of WVFC at KPAO. I knew Chris and loved him dearly. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-2153167037253173022019-06-02T16:01:30.421-04:002019-06-02T16:01:30.421-04:00Christian owned it. Probably had it on lease back....Christian owned it. Probably had it on lease back. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-31463234895193627042019-06-02T15:53:59.864-04:002019-06-02T15:53:59.864-04:00I believe this was a flying club aircraft out of K...I believe this was a flying club aircraft out of KPAO. This is not an aircraft type you fly every couple of months or so. Very sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-59426476027787748552019-06-02T12:35:36.051-04:002019-06-02T12:35:36.051-04:00Exactly! Exactly! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-8351058276937630922019-06-02T12:19:34.442-04:002019-06-02T12:19:34.442-04:00remember when the piper malibu first came out and ...remember when the piper malibu first came out and all the wealthy pilots were out killing themselves and family/friends who were along for the ride? they tried for a long time to figure out what was wrong with these fine machines piper had built to take advantage of these doctors lawyers and well off businessmen. well it turns out that the problem was exactly the same as these cirrus's. fromAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-75800770141913982142019-06-02T12:01:51.887-04:002019-06-02T12:01:51.887-04:00A few of the commenters seem to think a Cirrus is ...A few of the commenters seem to think a Cirrus is some kind of cavernous vehicle where people just float and fly around the cabin? Has anyone here actually been in a small airplane? It's not like an airliner, you can't unbuckle, walk around and get lost! Then there's the stick and rudder Chuck Yeager fantasy of people who wind up becoming statistics themselves. Know how Scott Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-87044186564842723522019-06-01T22:13:43.387-04:002019-06-01T22:13:43.387-04:00Loss of control in instrument conditions is a hell...<br />Loss of control in instrument conditions is a hellof a thing. People get tossed about inside the plane, the engine is screaming, the passengers are screaming and the pilot is fighting for control. The pilot probably didn't think of pulling the parachute or centrifugal forces wouldn't allow his hand to reach the handle, we will probably never know. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-60701225845817745552019-06-01T10:25:43.705-04:002019-06-01T10:25:43.705-04:00Stick and rudder skills, and spin recovery. That&...<b>Stick and rudder skills, and spin recovery.</b> That's the only thing that will ever save a plane in an emergency. Reliance on auto-throttles, stick shaker/pusher, airframe parachute systems, autopilots, glass panels, and all the other computer stuff is nonsense. Teach pilots how to turn off the computer and FLY WITHOUT IT.<br /><br />The United States of America is the only country withAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-11229633769317876062019-06-01T09:30:04.786-04:002019-06-01T09:30:04.786-04:00To Picturelady; I am so very sorry for your loss. ...To Picturelady; I am so very sorry for your loss. I have an idea of what you are going through as I lost my father in an airplane crash when I was 17 years old. Please allow the NTSB the time (perhaps as much as 2 years) to determine the cause of the accident and avoid all of the speculation that will go on in this blog. Most of us here are pilots and it is common for us to discuss and speculateAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com