tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post6702319400849835357..comments2024-03-28T21:15:11.065-04:00Comments on Kathryn's Report: Mooney M20M / 257 TLS Bravo, N40KA: Fatal accident occurred October 28, 2021 in North Bend, King County, WashingtonUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-29986445807371001902021-11-09T07:02:32.743-05:002021-11-09T07:02:32.743-05:00The TKS system visible in photos of the accident a...The TKS system visible in photos of the accident airplane is not a mystery. Here is an excerpt from the Mooney POH supplement linked up-thread, offered without comment on choosing to fly in known icing conditions:<br /><br />"The TKS Ice Protection System exudes ethylene glycol based fluid from: (1) porous panels attached over the airfoil leading edges, (2) a slinger ring on the propeller Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-58674652620043778222021-11-07T18:22:05.973-05:002021-11-07T18:22:05.973-05:00"Deicing or anti-icing? There is a huge diff..."Deicing or anti-icing? There is a huge difference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-91605365516300077692021-11-03T14:56:36.820-04:002021-11-03T14:56:36.820-04:00Dr. Dan, if you could send surviving spouse name a...Dr. Dan, if you could send surviving spouse name and contact info to outreach AT mooneysummit.com, we can engage the Bill Gilliland foundation to helpmooneysummithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16427182830174664120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-30011187795258954772021-11-03T14:26:32.194-04:002021-11-03T14:26:32.194-04:00The flight began with pilot deviations that ATC wa...The flight began with pilot deviations that ATC was clearly unhappy about. It sounds like the controller decided not to write him up (passed down the line for a phone call on the ground) despite not getting an answer as to why it occurred, instead saying to just be aware of what he did for next time, but that makes me wonder about set-up and effective autopilot use, also. The communications as Reluctant_Posterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04105567381756693009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-32267561623671912542021-11-03T09:55:02.601-04:002021-11-03T09:55:02.601-04:00From a Mooneyspace post by someone claiming to kno...From a Mooneyspace post by someone claiming to know the pilot:<br /><br /><i>"He was excited about the de icing features on this plane."</i><br /><br />TKS on board was undoubtedly part of decision making. Taking risks during the acquisition flight home doesn't always have a happy ending.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-57403549058102439602021-11-03T07:44:25.967-04:002021-11-03T07:44:25.967-04:00No mention that he apparently had just purchased t...No mention that he apparently had just purchased the aircraft and was taking it home to Colorado. No record of pilot weather briefing with any online sources. Yet another needless tragedy. Aviation in general is very unforgiving to poor decision making. Condolences.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-82041565366632136912021-10-31T11:18:05.089-04:002021-10-31T11:18:05.089-04:00Mooney's supplement on operating a factory ins...Mooney's supplement on operating a factory installed TKS system is linked below. Lots of information there about priming the panels in pre-flight, how to use the system and limitations.<br /><br />https://www.mooney.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/SUPP0017H.pdf<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-90059217669109271522021-10-31T10:50:41.693-04:002021-10-31T10:50:41.693-04:00Mooneyspace forum thread linked below includes pos...Mooneyspace forum thread linked below includes postings on departure profile, recorded voice communications with controllers, icing reports and another pilot in the vicinity who heard on comm that the pilot was climbing toward 19K. <br /><br />A photo of the aircraft is discussed regarding what appears to be an installed capability to dispense TKS® fluid, which is intended to prevent ice from Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-87259553429802770872021-10-31T09:17:51.529-04:002021-10-31T09:17:51.529-04:00I talked to him minutes before he was to take off....I talked to him minutes before he was to take off. He was very anxious on the phone and said “He had to go because he was just getting ready to take off and had to focus on the task at hand”. Condolences to his family.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-61396921626945697792021-10-31T01:47:12.911-04:002021-10-31T01:47:12.911-04:00That pilot of that plane was my beloved first cous...That pilot of that plane was my beloved first cousin. Thank you for your comments and consideration. Any additional information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to all. <br />Dr. Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16288721201533407070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-46839508410273113702021-10-30T19:24:04.364-04:002021-10-30T19:24:04.364-04:00I agree. I was flying into SEA when Center lost c...I agree. I was flying into SEA when Center lost communications with him. He was in a constant turn and had descended, triggering a low altitude alert. We got light-mod rime icing on the descent just north of where he went down. Condolences to the family and friends Joe Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13880233067003482384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-5443101102168208022021-10-29T23:43:56.874-04:002021-10-29T23:43:56.874-04:00The abrupt climb may have been due to the updrafts...The abrupt climb may have been due to the updrafts from a thunderstorm. <br />Summa Contra Improboshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05516516858457143672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-62575488449524010282021-10-29T20:25:54.308-04:002021-10-29T20:25:54.308-04:00PIREPS from the area indicated icing conditions at...PIREPS from the area indicated icing conditions at 8K and he was in the Cascade mountains at the time, not a great combination. Flight track indicates a loss of navigation, possibly trying to get out of the ice or else fighting an airplane that was being loaded down with ice. It's unfortunately a common experience as we enter winter out here. The final hook could be a stall/spin. The Mooney Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-35305518724379692022021-10-29T16:53:59.576-04:002021-10-29T16:53:59.576-04:00That's strange. FlightAware shows the airplan...That's strange. FlightAware shows the airplane climbing 8,000' in the last minute and a lot of directional changes. Maybe that is the software trying to merge the last known position with the filed flight plan. It looks to me that the airplane was turning back at the last moment.<br /><br />https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N40KACharliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707420476304746895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-19996327355398736992021-10-29T14:36:06.411-04:002021-10-29T14:36:06.411-04:00Why do you say icing? Curious.Why do you say icing? Curious.Margauxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13728603280912653996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-13419782945011889922021-10-29T11:36:32.378-04:002021-10-29T11:36:32.378-04:00My condolences to the family.My condolences to the family.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-85632296254080445252021-10-29T06:03:21.588-04:002021-10-29T06:03:21.588-04:00Icing appears to be the culprit.
Icing appears to be the culprit. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com