tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post6112420913096946933..comments2024-03-26T09:35:29.969-04:00Comments on Kathryn's Report: Aerodynamic Stall/Spin: Piper PA-32R-300 Cherokee Lance, N7677C; fatal accident occurred July 25, 2020 near South Valley Regional Airport (U42) West Jordan, Salt Lake County, UtahUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-16251617931006396222023-08-27T16:44:02.310-04:002023-08-27T16:44:02.310-04:00Not sure why it's not linked above, but the NT...Not sure why it's not linked above, but the NTSB final report is out.<br />https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/101669/pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-65337803278042267612023-08-27T11:51:31.881-04:002023-08-27T11:51:31.881-04:00Many years ago my experience was similar--but with...Many years ago my experience was similar--but with a very short runway--and no disaster. But after takeoff, everything was mushy and wobbly. <br /><br />Cherokee Six, fuel injected, taking 5 passengers to Houston from Logan, Utah in the mid-1970's. Decided to refuel in Espanola (near Santa Fe, New Mexico.) <br /><br />My reasoning to stop to refuel at a country airport was to avoid busier Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-59299884130911251012021-01-02T08:17:33.165-05:002021-01-02T08:17:33.165-05:00Honestly I like photos of firefighters doing what ...Honestly I like photos of firefighters doing what they do, endlessly and tirelessly. Most firefighters rush into these accidents with a primary goal of saving lives, this photo shows the toll it takes on them and it's very much a human one. Colinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06370646322329032930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-35443686948721217132020-08-20T20:31:12.468-04:002020-08-20T20:31:12.468-04:00The dates in the airmen registry reflect the most ...The dates in the airmen registry reflect the most recent activity, such as added ratings, address changes and the like. It lags and yes, there are errors. The opt-outs won't show if the location boxes (including USA) are not left blank for the search.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-27635256390164435292020-08-20T07:50:43.640-04:002020-08-20T07:50:43.640-04:00I see a lot of posts on K Report referring to info...I see a lot of posts on K Report referring to information retrieved from the FAA.gov site on Airmen Certs. You can't trust the site to have accurate information. It's routinely incorrect. For example, I've had my PPL since 1996, and FAA.gov site lists me having received it just last year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-70926958639183921142020-08-19T21:02:48.959-04:002020-08-19T21:02:48.959-04:00Probably could have left the photo of the firefigh...Probably could have left the photo of the firefighter out who was obviously reacting to ‘a very bad day at the office‘.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-87239336277296477202020-08-18T13:49:22.444-04:002020-08-18T13:49:22.444-04:00Link?
Link?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-80893215936389530312020-08-12T16:59:55.927-04:002020-08-12T16:59:55.927-04:00That long ground roll and shallow climb supports t...That long ground roll and shallow climb supports the scenario of too much weight, too little power delivered for density altitude that day. <br /><br />If the plane had taken off crisply with a normal climb and then faltered, power loss away from the airfield would have been better supported as a possible cause.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-43427902425113770382020-08-12T12:18:00.818-04:002020-08-12T12:18:00.818-04:00Thanks. 3700 ft just for initial liftoff, yikes. Thanks. 3700 ft just for initial liftoff, yikes. Kyle Nnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-87221134699735824882020-08-12T11:18:31.544-04:002020-08-12T11:18:31.544-04:00NTSB Preliminary report is out:
https://app.ntsb....NTSB Preliminary report is out:<br /><br />https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGeneratorFile.ashx?EventID=20200725X73345&AKey=1&RType=Prelim&IType=LA<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-15813111347003945532020-08-12T09:56:35.978-04:002020-08-12T09:56:35.978-04:00Still no prelim for this accident yet? Not seeing ...Still no prelim for this accident yet? Not seeing it on the monthly accident synopses. Kyle Nnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-2781089329927095232020-08-06T00:46:17.668-04:002020-08-06T00:46:17.668-04:00Whatever experience he had, he only obtained his p...Whatever experience he had, he only obtained his private 2 years ago and only obtained his ifr rating a week before he died.<br /><br />Basically he bought the Tiger to do enough cross-country hours to get his ifr rating.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-16798524418131640862020-08-05T20:14:12.862-04:002020-08-05T20:14:12.862-04:00Regarding leaning: The Lance replaced his Tiger AA...Regarding leaning: The Lance replaced his Tiger AA-5B that he had been flying over the mountains. The Tiger POH has instructions to lean for high altitude takeoffs, so he should have been aware and have the needed understanding from doing so in the Tiger.<br /><br />http://www.grummanpilotsassociation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/AA-5B-POH-1977-78-79-SM.pdf<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-5852993038328392782020-08-05T19:06:47.209-04:002020-08-05T19:06:47.209-04:00Not to diminish the significance of the nice glass...Not to diminish the significance of the nice glass panel upgrade and paint, the upload dates of those photos run from 2009 to 2011. He may have done additional upgrades or replacements on the Lance before it replaced his Tiger. <br /><br />Photos:<br />https://flightaware.com/photos/aircraft/N7677C<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-12865134720933789962020-08-05T18:43:56.524-04:002020-08-05T18:43:56.524-04:00Pilots experience in mountain flying and level of ...Pilots experience in mountain flying and level of maintenance is something to look at. Here is some added insight: The pilot also owns a 1976 Grumman Tiger N74642 and RV-6A N5060. A May 31, 2020 Barnstormers advertisement to sell the Tiger (still visible in google cache) included statements:<br /><br /><i>"Flown across the country several times in the last two years; over the mountains with Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-40598048555976851742020-08-05T14:57:03.421-04:002020-08-05T14:57:03.421-04:00I have owned a lance and a saratoga,
full fuel, f...I have owned a lance and a saratoga, <br />full fuel, full of bags and 2 up front, 31 grown and 2 smaller in the back? I had little ones too when I had the saratoga. I will let you know that the little ones don't weigh much but all the diaper bags, formula bags, basenette stroller, and so on sure do! Think about the supplies for a 5 hour flight.<br />That plane would be a struggle for sureChillywindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17303534826611881012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-62946432170364513042020-08-05T14:08:45.387-04:002020-08-05T14:08:45.387-04:00The house owner died. So 4 people died (3 adults a...The house owner died. So 4 people died (3 adults and a baby).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-28214748116382591532020-07-29T20:09:30.246-04:002020-07-29T20:09:30.246-04:00@AnkleFixer: Full fuel is likely, as you suggest. ...@AnkleFixer: Full fuel is likely, as you suggest. And since Ms. Shibonis lived in SLC, she and her daughter were probably added for the first time during the accident takeoff. Pilot had thus been flying about 200 lbs lighter before those extra pax joined the group (including a few pounds of overnight stay baggage).<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-2160049094931265482020-07-29T17:37:31.154-04:002020-07-29T17:37:31.154-04:00he must have had a bladder of steel 5 hour flights...he must have had a bladder of steel 5 hour flights is a long haul, having to pee and the last half hour being puckered shut hoping your gonna make it to the fuel pump. Not a position I would want to be inAnkle Fixerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15870719909916108465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-5251664875482923512020-07-29T17:22:34.107-04:002020-07-29T17:22:34.107-04:00His flight plan included a trip over the grand can...His flight plan included a trip over the grand canyon it looks like and 4.5 hours of flight time as well which would be full fuel and no way he wasnt over gross weight. I own and fly a 76 Turbo Lance and no way would I take off with that DA and over gross.<br />His previous flights on the trip show legs of nearly 5 hours which must have left fumes to run on. several dangerous decisions not just Ankle Fixerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15870719909916108465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-64920115551275050892020-07-29T09:07:23.986-04:002020-07-29T09:07:23.986-04:00The just-previous owner of N7677C (PA32R LLC of So...The just-previous owner of N7677C (PA32R LLC of Somerset, KY) had a breakdown in October of 2018 that stranded the plane in Natchitoches, Louisiana. Would be interesting to check the logs to see what type of repairs were done at the time.<br /><br />The stranding of the plane led to Federal Charges. N7677C may have been sold to the accident pilot as a government auction forfeit bird, in which Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-60052979498837442282020-07-29T08:23:26.014-04:002020-07-29T08:23:26.014-04:00The runway 16 as-built heading is listed as 158 ma...The runway 16 as-built heading is listed as 158 magnetic, 172 true. The published departure procedure for RW16 does give 158° heading straight out (see below). <br /><br />Recognizing and making that farm field would have been a lucky break. Judging from the map image, the land there should have corn growing on it in July. <br /><br />TAKEOFF MINIMUMS<br />Rwy 16: Standard with minimum climb of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-35271814484541462262020-07-29T01:15:00.525-04:002020-07-29T01:15:00.525-04:00Obviously I wasn't there, no one knows for sur...Obviously I wasn't there, no one knows for sure what was going on in the plane, and/or what ATC may have asked him to do after departure but it appears if he had been able to maintain runway heading (straight out departure) a very slight turn to the right would have allowed him to have put it down in the open field right next to the neighborhood when they went down.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-86549208566397282362020-07-28T23:40:17.236-04:002020-07-28T23:40:17.236-04:00He just passed his ifr checkride last week.
https...He just passed his ifr checkride last week.<br /><br />https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8564407/PICTURED-Two-adults-killed-alongside-nine-month-old-girl-small-plane-crashed-Utah-home.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-58305382225071727152020-07-27T21:42:56.808-04:002020-07-27T21:42:56.808-04:00If performance reduction solely due to density alt...If performance reduction solely due to density altitude was the failure, he made decisions for:<br />1. Operating at the 4600' elevation airfield in July.<br />2. Accepting un-reducable weight of the group (traveling together).<br />3. Limiting or maximizing fuel weight (choice is not yet known).<br />4. Accepting 91 degF 1:30 pm departure (was 73 degF at 7 am)<br />5. Continue or abort Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com