tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post569280325328280379..comments2024-03-28T21:15:11.065-04:00Comments on Kathryn's Report: Cessna 172S Skyhawk, N375CS: Incident occurred June 01, 2018 near John Wayne Airport (KSNA), Orange County, CaliforniaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-87820295283402456372023-08-14T22:49:55.662-04:002023-08-14T22:49:55.662-04:00Citabria stalls at a lower speed so no flaps neede...Citabria stalls at a lower speed so no flaps needed! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-88319755798748435552023-05-29T08:27:51.773-04:002023-05-29T08:27:51.773-04:00She put a lot of people in danger with that landin...She put a lot of people in danger with that landing Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-67843604285232314402022-07-25T14:00:03.562-04:002022-07-25T14:00:03.562-04:00Hamilton & Magnolia in Huntington Beach is six...Hamilton & Magnolia in Huntington Beach is six miles SW of KSNA in Santa Ana. No where near any touch & go in class C I've ever seen, no where near any of the traffic patterns @ SNA, and no where near any of the common VFR reporting points while inbound for SNA (Mile Square Park:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-30921552501635390832021-08-26T11:47:25.399-04:002021-08-26T11:47:25.399-04:00Very good point made! I concur 100%
Very good point made! I concur 100%<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14899519120637081271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-29887701679916356672021-06-14T23:31:20.540-04:002021-06-14T23:31:20.540-04:00That's called wind milling, it's merely th...That's called wind milling, it's merely the force of the air against the prop.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-13932876960945949042020-06-07T08:14:01.708-04:002020-06-07T08:14:01.708-04:00"Following what was incorrectly identified as..."Following what was incorrectly identified as a loss of engine power, the aircraft force landed to roadway terrain in Huntington Beach while on approach to land at John Wayne-Orange County Airport (KSNA), Santa Ana, California. The actual cause was the pilots failure to retract the full flaps after a touch and go landing during a supervised solo."JJShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11571138516729715091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-50281411719903850642020-02-02T23:11:53.836-05:002020-02-02T23:11:53.836-05:00I'm from the area they used a flat bed tow tru...I'm from the area they used a flat bed tow truck and at night with police escort closed off the roads they just drove down the middle of the street and over curbs to avoid light poles. They did not remove the wings.It's common to move big things at night drive really slow with spotters. Mike-Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252696519545321781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-86825838397810586982019-06-14T09:02:06.115-04:002019-06-14T09:02:06.115-04:00Truth be told, following a post incident investiga...Truth be told, following a post incident investigation and thorough aircraft inspection it was determined that there was nothing wrong with the airplane or the engine. The student pilot royally screwed up and froze. She forgot how to fly the airplane. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-16130567324376085372018-06-29T23:31:25.644-04:002018-06-29T23:31:25.644-04:00They take the wings off and load it onto a flatbed...They take the wings off and load it onto a flatbed truck and drive it back to the airport. Given all the wires around the landing site, I don't think they attempted to fly it back out!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-53730980783192841622018-06-29T19:54:19.161-04:002018-06-29T19:54:19.161-04:00If this plane is flying again... how did they tow ...If this plane is flying again... how did they tow it back to an airport? It's a royal pain to get a plane like that anywhere at all given the wings and high tail. Unless they found a pathway back to John Wayne.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-29616317556315316172018-06-29T08:51:03.424-04:002018-06-29T08:51:03.424-04:00Jim B,
I don't think there will be an investi...Jim B,<br /><br />I don't think there will be an investigation. I couldn't find an NTSB investigation number for the airplane's serial number N375CS. The plane is still in the air flying as normal according to FlightAware.<br /><br />I think they're just going hand wave this one as heroic and call it a day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-10090077095609258172018-06-22T23:22:21.809-04:002018-06-22T23:22:21.809-04:00A running engine after stopping on the street beho...A running engine after stopping on the street behooves the question as to why the shutdown did not occur at the airport of origin or an alternate.<br /><br />Use of the word fabulous seems a bit premature tome unless you are describing the paint job on that bird.<br />Jim Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-52797432891948821472018-06-18T08:33:30.874-04:002018-06-18T08:33:30.874-04:00The police said she was going through a proper shu...The police said she was going through a proper shut down checklist when they approached. She was right to ignore bystanders to focus on her job of properly shutting down the aircraft which is the safest thing to do. How do you know she’s a Chinese national? She speaks perfectly fluent English in the ATC audio and might even be born here for all you know. So, just withhold judgment and wait for relm1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10779680255891903686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-62345648149962441742018-06-16T05:51:40.448-04:002018-06-16T05:51:40.448-04:00"Chinese nationals here training they hardly ..."Chinese nationals here training they hardly understand English"<br />If a student cannot communicate with the ATC, then the CFI should not sign that solo endorsement! Especially at KSNA, Class C airspace........... <br /><br />Anyway, we should wait for the NTSB report before making any judgment. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-11765419761233989242018-06-16T01:04:38.222-04:002018-06-16T01:04:38.222-04:00I'm also wondering why the engine was running ...I'm also wondering why the engine was running after she came to a stop. The interviews with people who came out of their offices said the engine still running for several seconds they were yelling at her to shut it off she seemed to ignore them. This isn't the first time I have seen Chinese national who shouldn't be in a cockpit. I listen to my local airport which has lot of Chinese Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-19809605135217032662018-06-11T17:02:26.123-04:002018-06-11T17:02:26.123-04:00Noticed the flight path on flightaware.com - I don...Noticed the flight path on flightaware.com - I don't believe her decision to land on a busy street should be lauded. Perhaps she should have executed her forced landing in one of the many concrete "rivers" she previously flew over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-60814308006039626512018-06-11T01:13:28.264-04:002018-06-11T01:13:28.264-04:00Great job doing this. Prop looks as though weather...Great job doing this. Prop looks as though weathervaning opposite to power. Amazing with all those power lines. Kudos to drivers also.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-75551566737121273092018-06-08T00:13:54.951-04:002018-06-08T00:13:54.951-04:00With all of the death & gore stories on this s...With all of the death & gore stories on this site, it's nice to hear of one that actually ends well. It will come out in the NTSB report whether this emergency landing was pilot induced or a mechanical problem but it won't change the fact that this young lady stayed calm and flew that Cessna with precision and didn't put as much as a mark on the plane or anyone around her. I hope Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-75127211129956765272018-06-07T21:43:46.514-04:002018-06-07T21:43:46.514-04:00"The FAA is investigating the emergency landi...<br />"The FAA is investigating the emergency landing."<br /><br />Wait for the report folks. The reason will likely come as a surprise.<br /><br />The mushy "tude" and the "right stuff" accolades might change.<br /><br />But, given the outcome I think we are all glad not a scratch or a fatality.Jim Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-75648197694292256382018-06-07T19:15:10.599-04:002018-06-07T19:15:10.599-04:00With the Cessna 172, you have the option of runnin...With the Cessna 172, you have the option of running on the left fuel tank, right tank, or both on at the same time. Just speculation, but I would assume, (make an ass out of you and me) the fuel selector was on a low tank, maneuvering for landing and sucked up air on the low tank. Power loss, what else is a student to do! Well done, not good landing but great landing, that airplane will fly againAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-32474724352910938452018-06-07T16:47:47.065-04:002018-06-07T16:47:47.065-04:00You don't need flaps to make a good landing (e...You don't need flaps to make a good landing (every flown a Citabria 7ECA? It doesn't even *have* flaps). The video shows she clearly pulled off a good landing and one might even argue that carrying a little extra speed even allowed her to make those last-minute maneuvers she did to avoid cars, so let's not second-guess success here, eh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-89930866865513379022018-06-06T16:31:07.631-04:002018-06-06T16:31:07.631-04:00Those criticizing this kid for not using flaps, I ...Those criticizing this kid for not using flaps, I take it you have all done better at some time in the past. She pulled off a perfect forced landing given her level of experience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-64702776157952747212018-06-06T11:45:42.900-04:002018-06-06T11:45:42.900-04:00How can an engine lose ALL compression?
Windmillin...How can an engine lose ALL compression?<br />Windmilling on the ground?<br /><br />A carburated engine can have a clogged carburator and run on the idle bypass only.<br />But we have an injected engine in this case.<br /><br />Also landing with 0° Flaps is not very clever.<br /><br />I have a feeling that this beginner chinese(?) female student pilot somehow panicked about something she could Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-81235681184106475102018-06-05T17:40:39.074-04:002018-06-05T17:40:39.074-04:00^^ Just because the propeller is still turning doe...^^ Just because the propeller is still turning does not mean that the engine is producing any useful thrust to keep the aircraft at altitude, its basically a "loss of power" event, and it WILL force a landing. Engines do windmill as well, and if the engine lost all compression, then it wont take much to turn it over. in the videos i've seen where it was turning over, it really didntAlexander Robinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00393660318431897179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-53013435896530424332018-06-05T13:24:13.739-04:002018-06-05T13:24:13.739-04:00Propeller/engine was still running after the landi...Propeller/engine was still running after the landing.<br />So what was the reason for the mayday call?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com