tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post5494800157148926794..comments2024-03-26T09:35:29.969-04:00Comments on Kathryn's Report: Boeing B-17G Flying Fortress, N7227C and Bell P-63F-1-BE Kingcobra, N6763: Fatal accident occurred November 12, 2022 at Dallas Executive Airport (KRBD, Texas Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-25608729757395408912023-01-30T12:32:28.178-05:002023-01-30T12:32:28.178-05:00P-63 simply didn't avoid mid-air that was set ...P-63 simply didn't avoid mid-air that was set up by air boss. For the P-63 pilot to be assigned "all blame", the air boss would have to brief altitude separation before the flight AND not fail to notice lack thereof in real time.<br /><br />Put the air boss failures to a jury = big %share in responsibility. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-64353839562693347342023-01-29T22:43:45.563-05:002023-01-29T22:43:45.563-05:00Come on guys. All of the blame for this horrible e...Come on guys. All of the blame for this horrible event is solidly on the P-63 pilot. To consider anything else has no foundation in reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-64752274374056617142023-01-29T18:04:34.667-05:002023-01-29T18:04:34.667-05:00Air Boss will be found guilty of manslaughter.Air Boss will be found guilty of manslaughter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-32370527355000576032023-01-24T04:59:19.536-05:002023-01-24T04:59:19.536-05:00So confusing. If it isn't the air boss's r...So confusing. If it isn't the air boss's responsibility to brief planned altitudes or notice they are all flying at the same altitudes, then all you need to be as an air boss is someone who can read a script with a good studio voice, like Bob Barker had on let's make a deal.<br /><br />NTSB figured it out.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-53860738724188816202023-01-24T01:09:45.066-05:002023-01-24T01:09:45.066-05:00Why not do as aviation lawyers do and blame the ma...Why not do as aviation lawyers do and blame the manufacturers of both airplanes, the manufacturers of the engines, both pilots, every crew member...hey, why not also blame the passengers...and file lawsuits against every one of those companies and individuals?<br /><br />Of course that would be ridiculous, just as ridiculous as it is to blame the air boss for this accident.<br /><br />From what MoodyRiverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06338741387732189678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-65816754756922214992023-01-23T21:08:09.824-05:002023-01-23T21:08:09.824-05:00^ NTSB says no brief given by air boss on altitude...^ NTSB says no brief given by air boss on altitudes to fly. Reply guy comes back with a IFR and ATC comparison. When you can fly any altitude you like, it's a free for all. With altitude separation, no chance that the P63 collides with the bomber parade. Simple.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-66865100747114323752023-01-23T11:43:30.992-05:002023-01-23T11:43:30.992-05:00This wasn't an IFR flight and the "Air Bo...This wasn't an IFR flight and the "Air Boss" is not an FAA Air Traffic Controller. Pilots have a regulatory obligation to see and avoid other aircraft There is also § "91.113 Right-of-way rules: Except water operations" to consider, as well as another long list of actions/regulations. The Cobra pilot will be found at fault (pilot error) and the Air Boss will only be a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-37056334449403724542023-01-22T22:49:11.745-05:002023-01-22T22:49:11.745-05:00NTSB says "There were no altitude deconflicti...NTSB says "There were no altitude deconflictions briefed before the flight or while the airplanes were in the air."<br /><br />The show organizers should ask their next air boss to designate someone to handle the altitude deconfliction tasks. Surprising that it wasn't the air boss's responsibility this time around.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-21868881602400466282023-01-22T11:30:32.578-05:002023-01-22T11:30:32.578-05:00I'd bet that "FAR written in blood" ...I'd bet that "FAR written in blood" person is likely with the FAA. It's always the FAA people that write "written in blood." I spent a semester in college (Psych) where I sandbagged with several general aviation accident investigators and that phrase was frequently used. Gotta give it to the FAR's though. Follow those to the letter and your chances of survival, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-25682688884617835582023-01-22T07:53:44.987-05:002023-01-22T07:53:44.987-05:00Seeing the ubiquitous "FARs/written in blood&...Seeing the ubiquitous "FARs/written in blood" commenter all over the KR comments lately. Most people recognize troll posts like the 10:35 PM and 10:37 PM ones for what they are, but it isn't credible to suggest that the actions of the "air boss" were blameless. <br /><br />Attempts to make analogies about legendary pilots who can recite FARs from memory or Yeager or SnortAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-89855792503340406382023-01-22T01:06:37.150-05:002023-01-22T01:06:37.150-05:00Yeah - It's like a soldier in Iraq that lost b...Yeah - It's like a soldier in Iraq that lost both legs, along with half his johnson-rod after stepping on an IED and then his battle brother pointing the finger at the CO. Shit don't happen between MEN that signed up for the same job. "...the final authority as to the safe operation..." Like I read in another thread - airplanes ain't toys, they're tools. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-30011225159450932482023-01-21T22:36:14.519-05:002023-01-21T22:36:14.519-05:00Manslaughter? Really? Horse$hi7. Royce wasn't ...Manslaughter? Really? Horse$hi7. Royce wasn't in the airplane. That would be the equivalent of someone pointing the finger at Chuck Yeager for the crash and death of Bell Aircraft Chief Test Pilot Jack Woolams' P-39 Cobra I. I've never heard an "aviator" point the finger at another aviator for the death of another aviator, until now. Remember FAR 91.3? Blaming Royce is an Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-89020809320892901382023-01-21T20:02:57.520-05:002023-01-21T20:02:57.520-05:00I don't remember a CAF Avenger crashing at Gle...I don't remember a CAF Avenger crashing at Glendale. When was this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-1516788507457560062023-01-20T00:09:56.446-05:002023-01-20T00:09:56.446-05:00Sorry. But fuck the artifacts . Sorry. But fuck the artifacts . Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-31805438258392852062023-01-18T22:37:17.646-05:002023-01-18T22:37:17.646-05:00Russell Royce = Manslaughter.Russell Royce = Manslaughter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-13645711389583077352023-01-18T22:35:05.666-05:002023-01-18T22:35:05.666-05:00Daddy's little boy, freshly fired by the FAA, ...Daddy's little boy, freshly fired by the FAA, must face manslaughter charges.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-80284375017885019352023-01-17T21:38:17.823-05:002023-01-17T21:38:17.823-05:00A horrific loss of life witnessed by scores of peo...A horrific loss of life witnessed by scores of people who didn't have "watch six people die violently" on their list of things to do that day. And the loss of two historic airplanes not terribly long after the loss of the B-17 "909" (slipshod maintenance, inadequate operational oversight, poorly trained crew), and THAT tragedy wasn't terribly long after the loss of &Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-14270941325436634742023-01-17T06:34:35.208-05:002023-01-17T06:34:35.208-05:00Trust and hope is not adequate planning for inform...Trust and hope is not adequate planning for informal "teams".<br /><br />Waiting for NTSB to illuminate the details on what reference material was being relied upon for doing *exactly* what they should, when they should. If no written & diagrammed plans were handed out and the whole thing was based on a verbal stand up briefing, the show format needs to reduce to a static exhibit Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-23337852774465618012023-01-17T06:19:55.213-05:002023-01-17T06:19:55.213-05:00A fighter was told to do a hard pull while another...A fighter was told to do a hard pull while another aircraft was in the skid zone of his turn, seems like it became air racing while formation flying, at the direction of the "air boss"..<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-57667662895961760952023-01-16T21:42:20.729-05:002023-01-16T21:42:20.729-05:00The Crash Air Force strikes again. Having watch th...The Crash Air Force strikes again. Having watch these idiots crash an Avenger at KGEU, and knowing their cowboy attitude towards accuracy, history, and everything else relative, I KNEW it was only a matter of time until they did something like this. Those men in that B-17 didn't deserve to die at the hands of a moron, but at least they didn't do it over the crowd. They can (and probably Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-56469280066102555822023-01-16T15:17:27.613-05:002023-01-16T15:17:27.613-05:00"Yes, we know in the turn he could not see it..."Yes, we know in the turn he could not see it, but he should have known it could possibly be in his path."<br /><br />Trust. Absolute trust that everyone involved is doing *exactly* what they should, when they should. <br /> <br />That is what makes an airshow function safely. In this instance, the necessary trust was misplaced, and 6 people died, and 2 beautiful artifacts were Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-86062325176035816212023-01-16T09:11:55.285-05:002023-01-16T09:11:55.285-05:00But this wasn't air racing or formation flying...But this wasn't air racing or formation flying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-30961451481483932672023-01-15T23:33:28.213-05:002023-01-15T23:33:28.213-05:00"...ask yourself whether the Blue Angels or T..."...ask yourself whether the Blue Angels or Thunderbirds would rely on real-time flight path directions from someone on the ground while performing their demonstration."<br /><br />I believe that's the way the military airshow guys do it. If you notice, once they are in the air, no one else is in the air around them.<br /><br />And they are *highly* disciplined to do the airshow Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-5066332335392591812023-01-15T22:57:35.336-05:002023-01-15T22:57:35.336-05:00The P-63 pilot broke an air racing and formation f...The P-63 pilot broke an air racing and formation flying basic rule when he went "belly up" to the B-17.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-36582069997633730682023-01-15T17:10:43.593-05:002023-01-15T17:10:43.593-05:00Ralph's son was calling the show. Some backgro...Ralph's son was calling the show. Some background (2021):<br />https://anvil.gbtribune.com/news/local-news/air-boss-royce-keeps-airfest-airborne/<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com