tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post542458793716762140..comments2024-03-28T21:15:11.065-04:00Comments on Kathryn's Report: Collision During Landing: Piper PA-24 Comanche 400, N8501P; accident occurred August 30, 2021 at Fullerton Municipal Airport (KFUL), Orange County, CaliforniaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-87903154275797370942021-11-03T19:12:06.186-04:002021-11-03T19:12:06.186-04:00Now that is funny!Now that is funny!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-52576521869513385802021-09-09T14:40:25.279-04:002021-09-09T14:40:25.279-04:00I remember that 400 Comanche at Fullerton from whe...I remember that 400 Comanche at Fullerton from when I learned to fly there in 1979. Good thing the short power poles with lines belonging to the railroad were put underground. He would have hit those with that approach.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-71644598689914483672021-09-09T07:33:58.483-04:002021-09-09T07:33:58.483-04:00Airmen registry shows one airmen match including o...Airmen registry shows one airmen match including owners middle name, with address opted out. The owner has a website that includes a photo of the Comanche. Impressive that he just renewed his third class medical. Hope he and the passenger make a full recovery.<br /><br />http://www.ronaldrichmond.com/<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-77295574725758173092021-09-07T13:53:53.591-04:002021-09-07T13:53:53.591-04:00Totally not worth itTotally not worth itMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03883750879013298504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-18356462942163240892021-09-06T08:36:43.617-04:002021-09-06T08:36:43.617-04:00Maintain thine airspeed (and glide path), lest the...Maintain thine airspeed (and glide path), lest the ground (or fence) riseth up and smite thee.Mike Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07323710466302796932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-3660808947629293972021-09-06T08:34:36.130-04:002021-09-06T08:34:36.130-04:00That otta buff right out with some 800-grit and so...That otta buff right out with some 800-grit and some good polishing compound.Mike Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07323710466302796932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-6456098449652342242021-09-05T15:19:46.432-04:002021-09-05T15:19:46.432-04:00The engine damage and O/H alone would total this a...The engine damage and O/H alone would total this airplane. Leohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01754612542735454220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-15785018634860775402021-09-05T15:17:30.454-04:002021-09-05T15:17:30.454-04:00Go around, turn immediately, hold short are all no...Go around, turn immediately, hold short are all non debatable or optional to the pilot. Leohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01754612542735454220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-25573077542198048182021-09-04T21:12:42.103-04:002021-09-04T21:12:42.103-04:00So the registered owner” RICHMOND RONALD L” name d...So the registered owner” RICHMOND RONALD L” name does NOT show up in the FAA airman data base???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-37347501413400532662021-09-04T19:12:05.641-04:002021-09-04T19:12:05.641-04:0030 Aug flight data @ https://globe.adsbexchange.co... 30 Aug flight data @ https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=aba9e1&lat=33.981&lon=-117.649&zoom=13.9&showTrace=2021-08-30&leg=2&trackLabels gretnabearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17532199082129778356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-63720678582035699642021-09-04T13:04:01.985-04:002021-09-04T13:04:01.985-04:00Flight list: So how does one accomplish a 3 minut...Flight list: So how does one accomplish a 3 minute flight in a Comanche? Maybe take off and land on the same pass?Ethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07705728826375207872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-20324656354244961392021-09-04T12:15:53.845-04:002021-09-04T12:15:53.845-04:00complete list of short duration flights thru Aug 3...complete list of short duration flights thru Aug 30th @ flightaware.<br />Date Aircraft Origin Destination Departure Arrival Duration<br />30-Aug-2021 PA24 Fullerton Muni (KFUL) Fullerton Muni (KFUL) 13:39 PDT 13:42 PDT 0:03<br />30-Aug-2021 PA24 Chino (KCNO) Chino (KCNO) 13:11 PDT 13:19 PDT 0:07<br />30-Aug-2021 PA24 Fullerton Muni (KFUL) Chino (KCNO) 12:14 PDT 12:33 PDT 0:18<br />08-Aug-2021 gretnabearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17532199082129778356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-36492048166353295432021-09-03T14:06:02.440-04:002021-09-03T14:06:02.440-04:00Very busy train tracks. If there were an amtrak or...Very busy train tracks. If there were an amtrak or metrolink on the tracks at the time, they no doubt would have been hit and this would probably be national news.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-20403576774188475372021-09-03T11:46:56.105-04:002021-09-03T11:46:56.105-04:00That airplane did not even reach the rwy 24 thresh...That airplane did not even reach the rwy 24 threshold bar. I've flown in and out of KFUL many times, and short final goes right over industrial buildings, railroad tracks, and a road. Judging by the images, I'd say he probably just missed the buildings and railroad tracks, impacted the road, and then slid through the fence and onto the runway. Sadly, the airplane is junk, but nobody Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-62690733324994792442021-09-02T23:40:30.496-04:002021-09-02T23:40:30.496-04:00You can see part of the chainlink fence pole bent ...You can see part of the chainlink fence pole bent around the right wing as it scraped along the runway on its belly, I'm afraid this plane is going to the scrapyard and the 90 year old pilot's flying days are over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-41425223745409471122021-09-02T22:52:21.241-04:002021-09-02T22:52:21.241-04:00According to the article they hit the perimeter fe...According to the article they hit the perimeter fence which probably sheered the gear off.Mouser485https://www.blogger.com/profile/07310339093597452465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-48937876993344379232021-09-02T18:27:34.635-04:002021-09-02T18:27:34.635-04:00I work at this airport. Can confirm, pilot is in f...I work at this airport. Can confirm, pilot is in fact 90 and makes things interesting for the controllers and everyone else in the pattern every time he flies. We are lucky his flying career is over, and that nobody died in the process. I feel so bad for that beautiful airplane.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-29668142627190611192021-09-02T17:41:15.822-04:002021-09-02T17:41:15.822-04:00If he'd have left the gear up he would have mi...If he'd have left the gear up he would have missed the fence! :)martialhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17576958843788072215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-26592895280713204022021-09-02T17:32:04.910-04:002021-09-02T17:32:04.910-04:00Well stated....Well stated....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-69672179663250954802021-09-02T12:19:18.344-04:002021-09-02T12:19:18.344-04:00The last I checked, "Go around" is a man...The last I checked, "Go around" is a mandatory command to follow. It's not "Go around if you feel like it." Pilots need to be spring loaded to execute a go around the moment they hear those words. What seems to have happened here is when the pilot heard the words "your wheels appear up" after "Go around", he thought "Oh, I can save this" andAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-63398772856547959012021-09-01T13:09:07.321-04:002021-09-01T13:09:07.321-04:00"http://www.comancheflyer.com/PA24-400.htm&qu..."http://www.comancheflyer.com/PA24-400.htm"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-21066405439959390762021-09-01T11:15:44.138-04:002021-09-01T11:15:44.138-04:00The audio from the ATC feed indicates they told hi...The audio from the ATC feed indicates they told him to go around because his landing gear was not down. Shortly after that transmission, ATC reported the gear was down. Indications are that the pilot hit the chain-link fence at the east end of the runway, sheering off or damaging the landing gear, and causing the plane to belly-land. The pilot sounds like he's 90 years old. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-46732353000439706012021-08-31T20:26:29.177-04:002021-08-31T20:26:29.177-04:00I think it's rebuildable. The biggest killers ...I think it's rebuildable. The biggest killers are the wing and main fuselage frame structurea. Most of this damage looks to be firewall forward which is a relatively easy fix. As long as the airframe is not bent behind the firewall and the wing root is not damaged, it is rebuildable. The question is at what cost vs. the aircraft value. That question sends more classics like this to their Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-57522054070352806562021-08-31T20:22:20.757-04:002021-08-31T20:22:20.757-04:00Yeah I looked at one many years ago but after doin...Yeah I looked at one many years ago but after doing the numbers on fuel burn vs. performance, I passed even though it was a great deal and somewhat of an aviation novelty. But as we all know in aviation when you own something, be it a large airline or a single jet corporation down to a private owner, novelty and the "cool" factor don't work for the bottom line when operating Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-91431034608389421692021-08-31T19:00:44.186-04:002021-08-31T19:00:44.186-04:00Disappointing performance thoughDisappointing performance thoughT Ibachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02764487409231597866noreply@blogger.com