tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post5196113292219585320..comments2024-03-28T21:15:11.065-04:00Comments on Kathryn's Report: Cessna 414, N1996G: Accident occurred June 19, 2022 at Rostraver Airport (KFWQ), Westmoreland County, PennsylvaniaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-27095139320656137952022-07-06T19:30:40.776-04:002022-07-06T19:30:40.776-04:00As a matter of fact, someone was killed here sever...As a matter of fact, someone was killed here several years ago attempting to go around at this airport in gusty wind conditions:<br /><br />http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2017/04/howard-dga-15p-pittsburgh-institute-of_13.html?m=1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-15757051659820552632022-07-06T19:27:24.976-04:002022-07-06T19:27:24.976-04:00The online community is SO lame, too caught up in ...The online community is SO lame, too caught up in armchair piloting and trying to tear someone down that some can’t acknowledge that this was a positive outcome. <br /><br />Anyway, having flown into and out of this airport more times than I can count, I concur with the level-headed folks that the PIC did the right thing. The runway is not that wide, and the plane touched down with 1,000 feet Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-85561964425147453952022-06-30T02:14:16.776-04:002022-06-30T02:14:16.776-04:00You are an idiot. In your world, no one would eve...You are an idiot. In your world, no one would ever leave the ground. AWOS can lie, she didn't know the brakes didn't work, demonstrated crosswind is just that, demonstrated. I've landed airplanes over the reported demonstrated crosswind velocity for my airplane. I absolutely hate Monday morning quarterbacks. And for those who have said that raising the flaps was a mistake, I'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-59528945289288992312022-06-29T13:10:12.181-04:002022-06-29T13:10:12.181-04:00gotcha, thxgotcha, thxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-68856951441653620602022-06-29T04:45:16.366-04:002022-06-29T04:45:16.366-04:00The claim then is that every aircraft, for every l...The claim then is that every aircraft, for every landing must be able to roll out to a stop with no wheel brakes at all? Sure, Jan...<br /><br />Great idea and relieves all pilots, even air carriers from having to assess runway surface condition now that "no wheel brakes" is the proper ADM every time, using that "PsyFrNet" malfunction prediction plugin. Thanks for the chuckle!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-9655738636695411802022-06-28T23:00:45.946-04:002022-06-28T23:00:45.946-04:00"Obviously didn't exceed pilot or aircraf..."Obviously didn't exceed pilot or aircraft capability." Apparently, it did, or the aircraft would not be Destroyed. She should have been able to stop the aircraft before the end of the runway, if she had executed a proper and controlled approach even with NO brakes. Bad ADM.<br />There is such a service.... and it's free! It's called AWOS.<br />If I heard this on AWOS, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-37839370800634373612022-06-28T18:13:28.252-04:002022-06-28T18:13:28.252-04:00The 414 parking brake is just a valve in the hydra...The 414 parking brake is just a valve in the hydraulic lines to the main gear brakes that can be closed to trap fluid pressure that has already been applied. It isn't a pull cable that applies brakes mechanically like automobiles have.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-70365246168775841132022-06-28T17:49:36.788-04:002022-06-28T17:49:36.788-04:00The accident pilot didn't write the June 28, 2...The accident pilot didn't write the June 28, 2022 at 7:24:00 AM EDT comment that was replied to, or this one.<br /><br />POH landing distance numbers reflect testing done with functional wheel brakes. The accident day conditions obviously didn't exceed pilot or aircraft capability to get wheels on pavement with that distance remaining. Bashing the pilot for not having foreknowledge that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-89649998383254686652022-06-28T13:03:46.200-04:002022-06-28T13:03:46.200-04:00Caiolinn, All of your pontificating anonymous comm...Caiolinn, All of your pontificating anonymous comments are quite amusing, and how you keep patting yourself on the back to justify your decision making.<br />Actually, it was very poor ADM. If "she" knew there was windshear, direct 30 kt winds, possibly exceeding "her" and the aircrafts capability, "she" could/should have diverted to a more favorable landing Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-2394234501731098742022-06-28T10:55:07.982-04:002022-06-28T10:55:07.982-04:00Why didn't she pull the parking brake?Why didn't she pull the parking brake?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-9551219997930548382022-06-28T07:24:03.028-04:002022-06-28T07:24:03.028-04:00It is natural to look at a story like this and eva...It is natural to look at a story like this and evaluate possible alternate actions, leading to some "I would have gone around" comments. This pilot walked away unscathed because the lowest energy dissipation option was chosen. It was the bird in the hand versus the unknowns of making a rushed go-around.<br /><br />Celebrate this pilot's decision. She did well.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-12946981951011700352022-06-26T19:47:48.797-04:002022-06-26T19:47:48.797-04:00She's a FB Friend and very experienced pilot. ...She's a FB Friend and very experienced pilot. She did the right thing and the pilot community said as much. Glad she wasn't hurt and will be back at it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-40033038958146859702022-06-25T06:52:17.085-04:002022-06-25T06:52:17.085-04:00Takeoff distance from a dead stop.Takeoff distance from a dead stop.Stanford W. Johnseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17783154080472918884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-66588472987866105092022-06-25T02:54:17.512-04:002022-06-25T02:54:17.512-04:00To the one advocating a go around and divert to an...To the one advocating a go around and divert to an alternate. NO. Not enough runway. Some else mentioned raising the flaps was an error. Not really on a gusty day. It’s prudent to raise flaps on touch down to minimize a gust lifting you back off. I’m sure she raised the flaps before touching the brakes. Aerodynamic drag from flaps to help slow a rolling airplane is marginal at best. Her Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-35868822431931539532022-06-25T00:59:22.511-04:002022-06-25T00:59:22.511-04:00Go-Around is not a safe option at this point, not ...Go-Around is not a safe option at this point, not enough runway left. She did the right thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-15826322756559063592022-06-24T20:15:02.312-04:002022-06-24T20:15:02.312-04:00^^As mentioned above, I flew them. I signed the MR...^^As mentioned above, I flew them. I signed the MRO slips to pass along to my boss who wrote the checks. And they were big ass checks. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-7639448399482889572022-06-24T19:48:32.468-04:002022-06-24T19:48:32.468-04:00The expense of these high performance twin recips ...The expense of these high performance twin recips is not the price of the aircraft somuch but the high $ maintenance these girls demand.<br />On tradeaplane today there's nice looking 1976 414A, 4865hrs TT w/38 hrs SMOH on both engines with modern Garmin IFR mfd stack of avionics for $275K. Thats far less than what a nice 20 yr old C182turbo goes for. that tells you where the expense of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-19241717420940719322022-06-24T19:09:22.718-04:002022-06-24T19:09:22.718-04:00"Takeoff distance (50′) 2,595""Takeoff distance (50′) 2,595"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-72457369605353601392022-06-24T17:06:48.812-04:002022-06-24T17:06:48.812-04:00I think I would go around, assess the situation an...I think I would go around, assess the situation and probably look for a nice long runway with emergency equipment standing by.Stanford W. Johnseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17783154080472918884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-81381544066595602802022-06-24T12:32:32.212-04:002022-06-24T12:32:32.212-04:00What do these certification requirements have to d...What do these certification requirements have to do with this brake failure?<br /><br />"Stomping" on the brakes doesn't mean that was how the first application was done at touchdown, I think she meant after the expected deceleration was not felt...any deviation from normal brake action would cause most people to become alarmed in about a quarter second. I would sure stomp on a firmLastyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05867696858712962108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-4583276702100362812022-06-24T11:20:15.085-04:002022-06-24T11:20:15.085-04:00"STANDARD DATA: (Chancellor) Landing distance..."STANDARD DATA: (Chancellor) Landing distance (50′) 2,393" for FWQ @ 4002 x 75 ft.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-20676347935486337142022-06-23T23:53:56.052-04:002022-06-23T23:53:56.052-04:00Not risking going straight off the over run on run...Not risking going straight off the over run on runway centerline was a good decision. The side-out path eliminated the possibility of intercepting cars or trucks on the four lane ahead:<br />Street view:<br />https://goo.gl/maps/3d6tjcjUud2bD2Wv6<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-73293605162517322752022-06-23T15:13:40.730-04:002022-06-23T15:13:40.730-04:00Ma’am, regardless of the cause, the outcome is tha...Ma’am, regardless of the cause, the outcome is that you’re here. How many pilots do we see die trying to save the plane? I’m just glad you’re okay. I’m sure whatever it was happened quickly and you did the best you could at the time. The plane is now the insurance company’s. Best to you. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-13413057161882733402022-06-23T12:47:10.226-04:002022-06-23T12:47:10.226-04:00She didn't a good job with the brake failure e...She didn't a good job with the brake failure emergency. She has a great attitude as well, good for her. Any armchair pilot on this board trying to say something else is a jerk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-87325733034993354702022-06-23T10:41:58.535-04:002022-06-23T10:41:58.535-04:00More than that raised my eyebrows, if she IS the p...More than that raised my eyebrows, if she IS the pilot commenting above on 06/23 @ 7:01 AM<br /><br />"windshear on landing,<br />not aiming for the numbers,<br />direct cross winds gusting to 30 <br />you don’t touch down and SLAM on the brakes"<br />Her post crash interview stated: "I’m stomping on the brakes trying the get it to stop"<br /><br /><br />Cessna 414 Chancellor Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com