tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post4776719907542954817..comments2024-03-26T09:35:29.969-04:00Comments on Kathryn's Report: Loss of Control in Flight: Beechcraft 58 Baron, N501CE; fatal accident occurred April 22, 2019 near Kerrville Municipal Airport (KERV), Kerr County, TexasUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-21754954837494749682021-05-31T11:52:03.856-04:002021-05-31T11:52:03.856-04:00Sirs,
I looked over all the data carefully. I own ...Sirs,<br />I looked over all the data carefully. I own a BE-58 with 194 gallon tanks and am a retired airline captain and former military fighter pilot. We learn from other people's mistakes and I have tried plan my life to allow room to gracefully recover when people make mistakes and stuff breaks. The pilot seems pretty by the book. After tens of thousands of hours I tend to be quite Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15108534135989353310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-30694695826018744652020-08-28T08:12:48.977-04:002020-08-28T08:12:48.977-04:00The final report is on the NTSB database. Essent...The final report is on the NTSB database. Essentially overweight at T/O, CG a bit too far aft, and was running out of fuel. While the left engine got a bit more fuel and continued to run, the right engine did not. Pilot failed to feather the right prop and raise the flaps.<br />Living here in Kerrville, where he crashed is almost the best place before passing over populated areas which may rrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14688075250188142740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-49953861295275892912019-07-20T05:46:40.548-04:002019-07-20T05:46:40.548-04:00Similar accident in a Navajo a year or so ago...fu...Similar accident in a Navajo a year or so ago...fuel exhaustion, two professional couples lost with resulting orphans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-78261164454110564782019-05-01T21:16:03.527-04:002019-05-01T21:16:03.527-04:00
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
...<br />The road to hell is paved with good intentions.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-30598674069289193752019-05-01T12:21:38.467-04:002019-05-01T12:21:38.467-04:00It has been more that a week since the accident an...It has been more that a week since the accident and I still feel like my heart has been ripped out with a back hoe. For those of us that knew Jeff suffice it to say that this ending is not what he would have wanted for his friends or for himself. God bless you Jeff, you were a good man. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-57097347396682785452019-04-25T14:37:35.523-04:002019-04-25T14:37:35.523-04:00Agree completely with the comments herein. I too b...Agree completely with the comments herein. I too believe in engine failure, probably due to fuel exhaustion and then an issue even with shut-down/feathering & 5% bank to good engine, the lower altitude and aft CG became too much to handle. A slight mishandling and over-limit payload could have induced a stall, leading to flat spin, which was unrecoverable. Explains the lack of extended debrisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-74368537759688592722019-04-25T14:08:33.313-04:002019-04-25T14:08:33.313-04:00Flat impact, guess one of the engines failed and t...Flat impact, guess one of the engines failed and the CG was near the limit, RIP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-91578314725189521042019-04-25T10:55:36.154-04:002019-04-25T10:55:36.154-04:00Given the witness accounts and some quick internet...Given the witness accounts and some quick internet calculations found on a Beech model 58, I'm going with fuel exhaustion on this one. I think given the weight of all 6 occupants(not including any baggage), the pilot only had about 60 gals in the tanks to make max gross weight at takeoff or enough for 1 1/2 hrs flying time with a 1/2 hr reserve. The Flightaware flight track shows 1:22 minutesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-36669129127517499252019-04-24T21:17:28.618-04:002019-04-24T21:17:28.618-04:00You’re right. You’re right. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-6053072514851656572019-04-24T19:49:49.607-04:002019-04-24T19:49:49.607-04:00Directional control in multi engine airplanes with...Directional control in multi engine airplanes with one engine inoperative is more difficult at aft CG vs. forward due to shorter arm. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-15118553652730768072019-04-24T13:06:18.166-04:002019-04-24T13:06:18.166-04:00Some good observations above. When twins crash in ...Some good observations above. When twins crash in descent I often suspect a fuel issue. One thing I would add to those comments above is that an aft CG is more favorable in one engine inoperable situations as far as VMC is concerned. If within max gross a B58 should easily maintain a glidelsope descent or better. It does make one wonder if the tanks ran dry. :/Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10930012111617116055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-68449510025127781162019-04-24T12:24:16.752-04:002019-04-24T12:24:16.752-04:00If you look at his track and flight plan, he was i...If you look at his track and flight plan, he was inbound on the RNAV 12 approach into Kerville. He descended to 4,000' and crossed the IAF and did a teardrop entry into the approach. He maintained altitude as he made a right turn and got on the localizer. He starting having a tough time staying on the 124 degree heading as he descended (autopilot issue?). His next waypoint on the inbound Citation Drivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-8784996880814510232019-04-23T22:18:18.353-04:002019-04-23T22:18:18.353-04:00
According to FlightAware he got very slow after t...<br />According to FlightAware he got very slow after turning inbound, I saw 79 kts on last radar return.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-17345204874348682682019-04-23T21:46:38.878-04:002019-04-23T21:46:38.878-04:00Doesn't appear to be much damage to either pro...Doesn't appear to be much damage to either propAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-44722879882161559022019-04-23T19:28:35.821-04:002019-04-23T19:28:35.821-04:00spun in, flat impact, single engine ops perhaps, c...spun in, flat impact, single engine ops perhaps, could be reason for the airspeed decay..RIPT Ibachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02764487409231597866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-72161312186122074002019-04-23T18:15:43.864-04:002019-04-23T18:15:43.864-04:006 large adults (judging by the photos of the decea...6 large adults (judging by the photos of the deceased) seems a bit much. I wonder if he took on less fuel to make the max gross weight and ended up running out of fuel short of the runway (lack of post-crash fire). If the right engine quit, the left engine may have still been running on fumes and that plane could have been a monster on one engine at that weight. I agree, most likely a stall/spin Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-68730538149489968302019-04-23T14:59:25.936-04:002019-04-23T14:59:25.936-04:00I agree with the above poster, looks like the righ...I agree with the above poster, looks like the right engine was shut down and prop feathered, likely got too slow and stalled/spun it in, as the wreckage is fairly contained in one area indicating minimal forward motion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-2903052637439048262019-04-23T13:09:54.066-04:002019-04-23T13:09:54.066-04:006 adults in a 58 is cramped. Plus, C.G. Is dicey. ...6 adults in a 58 is cramped. Plus, C.G. Is dicey. I wonder if he was past the aft limit which would aggravate controllability with an engine out. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-78191454526834136012019-04-23T11:21:40.150-04:002019-04-23T11:21:40.150-04:00Speculation is worth a teaspoon of warm gopher dro...Speculation is worth a teaspoon of warm gopher drool - but it can be interesting and develop our thinking.<br />One blade of the prop on #2 engine is not bent or damaged (apparently).<br />No fire.<br />Not much ground scar is evident.<br />Flat spin after #2 stopped for whatever reason?<br /><br />RIP to those who perished, condolences to their families and to the first responders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-24705360506066347422019-04-23T10:15:04.570-04:002019-04-23T10:15:04.570-04:00It looks like the plane was on the RNAV approach t...It looks like the plane was on the RNAV approach to runway 12 at KERV, and went through some significant airspeed fluctuations after the procedure turn at OBUCO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com