tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post4746583016718485250..comments2024-03-28T21:15:11.065-04:00Comments on Kathryn's Report: Piper PA-32-301T Turbo Saratoga, N8266D: Incident occurred August 17, 2020 near El Reno Airport (99F), Canadian County, Oklahoma Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-29798700336118616212023-01-31T05:34:13.621-05:002023-01-31T05:34:13.621-05:00Wooow, regarding the still visible black smoke, th...Wooow, regarding the still visible black smoke, that must have been a fierce fire already there. A scenario I don't want to think of.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-86260950191204965932023-01-30T21:35:22.433-05:002023-01-30T21:35:22.433-05:00Prelim is out, has photo of long black smoke trail...Prelim is out, has photo of long black smoke trail lingering in the air.<br />https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/106579/pdf<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-42115664604764269772023-01-28T10:35:59.926-05:002023-01-28T10:35:59.926-05:00I’ve installed 4 or 5 of the dual Garmin G5 system...I’ve installed 4 or 5 of the dual Garmin G5 systems with autopilot and it is a really nice setup. BUT the installation involves a lot of changes to the airplane, flight control system, electrical system AND engine and the initial few flights are not ones that you should assume will be “normal”. I always fly the first 3 or 4 flights personally and then go back and reinspect, I don’t believe that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-74305329764582679932023-01-25T20:15:38.973-05:002023-01-25T20:15:38.973-05:00You can also use adsbexchange's replay functio...You can also use adsbexchange's replay function to find tracks.<br /><br />The link below gives a replay of busy new years day traffic around Wiley Post. (Be sure to click pause at lower left and reduce the playback speed slider from 30X down to 5X or so when the screen opens, then hit play.)<br /><br />You can edit this example replay URL for some other lat, lon, date, and time as desired. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-72705686524523522122023-01-24T18:44:56.796-05:002023-01-24T18:44:56.796-05:00Good point. With that in mind, I looked for other ...Good point. With that in mind, I looked for other ADS-B tracks for a/c based at Wiley Post, and found N61571 (C172) with data for a few previous flights in the same area, at similar altitudes, on 12/18/22, 1/4/23, 1/5/23 and 1/20/23. There's one flight (1/4/23) where the track stops mid-flight at 3000', so it's conceivable that there's a hole around the crash site w.r.t. ADS-B Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-65284569733881208492023-01-23T15:11:10.016-05:002023-01-23T15:11:10.016-05:00Seems you missed the word "failure". A f...Seems you missed the word "failure". A failing autopilot may not turn off through normal means, so you'd have the pull the breaker. If you have not collared or memorized which breaker that is, you or your passenger will need to hunt for it heads down while still flying the plane and fighting the autopilot for control and even when you get it shut off, it may have mis-trimmed the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-88889624178155234122023-01-23T09:49:10.188-05:002023-01-23T09:49:10.188-05:00ADS-B data that you see depends on ground receptio...ADS-B data that you see depends on ground reception of the signal. The captured tracks often do not continue for the full duration of the flight, but that's not an indication that the aircraft stopped transmitting the data.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-54163000228118453362023-01-23T00:49:53.302-05:002023-01-23T00:49:53.302-05:00An in-flight fire would explain why the ADS-B data...An in-flight fire would explain why the ADS-B data cuts out before the final descent to the crash occurred. Especially if it was an electrical fire. Would also explain why there may not have been a distress call on the radio. No prelim yet from NTSBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-53851827751746598352023-01-21T18:02:03.205-05:002023-01-21T18:02:03.205-05:00A few months ago An Arrow crashed killing 2 at Myr...A few months ago An Arrow crashed killing 2 at Myrtle Beach near Conway SC on first flight after new electronic Garmin AI and DG with vacuum pump removed and replaced with blank plate with no gasket causing engine to lose oil and fail . Maybe this Cherokee engine failed due to no gasket when vacuum pump removed . Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-1454291445097169982023-01-21T01:08:58.857-05:002023-01-21T01:08:58.857-05:00Someone on POA claims a Facebook posting by a witn...Someone on POA claims a Facebook posting by a witness to the accident saw the a/c in flames in a near vertical dive. Take that for what it's worth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-87041907136953211142023-01-20T22:08:28.889-05:002023-01-20T22:08:28.889-05:00Newsletter describes big mod plus vacuum pump and ...Newsletter describes big mod plus vacuum pump and auxiliary were removed from the engine. Gotta use the correct gasket under accessory drive blanking plates (some accessory gaskets have oil passage hole known to create a failure mode). ADS-B history doesn't reveal any flights between the 1 January dated newsletter and accident flight, suggesting it was indeed a maintenance flight testing the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-83846288181185345082023-01-20T21:09:37.177-05:002023-01-20T21:09:37.177-05:00One of the 2 killed was an Airline Capt. May know ...One of the 2 killed was an Airline Capt. May know how to turn off an Autopilot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-70154712609794012312023-01-20T19:29:01.095-05:002023-01-20T19:29:01.095-05:00"an auto pilot failure wouldn't result in...<i>"an auto pilot failure wouldn't result in falling out of the sky from 6,000'"</i><br />Really? What about an autopilot failure that causes runaway nose down trim? Or one that forces full control deflection and the servo clutch fails to disengage. I can think of a lot of scenarios. A bad autopilot will try to kill you if you aren't careful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-88573919451143933532023-01-20T15:04:25.999-05:002023-01-20T15:04:25.999-05:00I wouldn't rule out a medical event in this ac...I wouldn't rule out a medical event in this accident. The weather was fine and an auto pilot failure wouldn't result in falling out of the sky from 6,000'. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-84280633102183834442023-01-20T15:02:28.550-05:002023-01-20T15:02:28.550-05:00I wouldn't rule out a medical event in this ac...I wouldn't rule out a medical event in this accident.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-70621993087438515042023-01-20T12:10:22.708-05:002023-01-20T12:10:22.708-05:00You're relying on the news? 🤣 LOL!You're relying on the news? 🤣 LOL! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-86858643518938394252023-01-20T11:14:25.104-05:002023-01-20T11:14:25.104-05:00Thought he had enough fuel? Thought? Did the poo...Thought he had enough fuel? Thought? Did the poor bugger ever think of visually checking the fuel tanks? <br /><br />The guy put six peoples lives at stake because of a lack of basic piloting habit patterns. But I betcha he could really operate his electronic nav system, etc. Pretty sad commentary on where we are with GA pilot skill sets. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-1738953517114133022023-01-20T09:54:03.952-05:002023-01-20T09:54:03.952-05:00Wow - that plane went in hard and fast and except ...Wow - that plane went in hard and fast and except for the tail, pretty much disintegrated. If they were on a test flight after an autopilot installation, perhaps a runaway trim? And the initial flight path sure looked straight and true, then some speed and heading variations, then an abrupt ending. Tragic and unsettling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-38086722027479303972023-01-19T23:41:41.895-05:002023-01-19T23:41:41.895-05:00Had just installed new Autopilot according to new...Had just installed new Autopilot according to newsletter on Engineers Flying Club websiterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-73755161311302266832023-01-19T23:20:02.790-05:002023-01-19T23:20:02.790-05:00 I heard from unconfirmed sources they had just i... I heard from unconfirmed sources they had just installed a new auto pilot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-33696592269157580742023-01-19T20:44:16.943-05:002023-01-19T20:44:16.943-05:00I believed the same thing at one time. One of the ...I believed the same thing at one time. One of the failure modes of the old AC type mechanical fuel pump (the engine driven fuel pump on this aircraft) is a perforation of the pump diaphragm that causes fuel to be pumped into the cowl and overboard. Only way to know is to notice that the fuel gage is heading toward the E faster than expected. YMMVAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-52146610513475258522023-01-19T18:15:29.462-05:002023-01-19T18:15:29.462-05:00Maintenance test flight for new autopilot installa...Maintenance test flight for new autopilot installation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-49602826430956339012023-01-19T09:38:45.415-05:002023-01-19T09:38:45.415-05:00I wouldn’t list the cause of the prev accident (on...I wouldn’t list the cause of the prev accident (one shown) as faulty gauge, but as pilot’s failure to visually check fuel level. You don’t even need to read gauges if you’ve inspected fuel prior to take off, and use timers to change tanks. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-445291553657226632023-01-19T01:55:18.712-05:002023-01-19T01:55:18.712-05:00A/C belonged to a flying club. ADS-B data looks li...A/C belonged to a flying club. ADS-B data looks like maneuvering/practice after departing the airport. Last ping is around 4000'. Accident scene looks almost like straight in. Maybe an unrecovered spin?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-74680988638939040142023-01-17T14:46:00.312-05:002023-01-17T14:46:00.312-05:00AIN shows it.
Date: 16-JAN-23
Time: 18:45:00Z
Re...AIN shows it.<br />Date: 16-JAN-23<br />Time: 18:45:00Z<br />Regis#: N8266D<br />City: KINGFISHER<br />State: OKLAHOMA<br /><br />News 5 coverage:<br />https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-kingfisher-county-deadly-plane-crash/42525495<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com