tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post2040070242685269556..comments2024-03-26T09:35:29.969-04:00Comments on Kathryn's Report: Cessna 525 CitationJet CJ1, N711BX: Fatal accident occurred January 18, 2016 in Cedar Fort, Utah Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-53988447033636912352023-02-13T05:15:11.270-05:002023-02-13T05:15:11.270-05:00It's called "get-there-itis".It's called "get-there-itis".FlyGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02648673049921652580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-65563266560901365422023-02-13T05:12:42.837-05:002023-02-13T05:12:42.837-05:00It's out and well-covered by various You-tuber...It's out and well-covered by various You-tubers. You can find it on the NTSB Carol page.FlyGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02648673049921652580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-46722514184818492962023-02-13T05:10:16.848-05:002023-02-13T05:10:16.848-05:00He managed to be in the air less than TEN MINUTES ...He managed to be in the air less than TEN MINUTES - what was that again about how skilled he was?FlyGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02648673049921652580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-62101698577737752082023-02-13T05:07:37.089-05:002023-02-13T05:07:37.089-05:00He only had just over 3300 hours! Sounds like a &...He only had just over 3300 hours! Sounds like a "hobby pilot" to me, and it turns out there was nothing wrong with the plane, just the operator. Exactly why did he need a Citation to show off in? This is exactly like the recent owner/pilot crash in Provo.FlyGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02648673049921652580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-53531089978333528752021-12-05T22:31:05.171-05:002021-12-05T22:31:05.171-05:00They say that flying is 10% skill and 90% judgemen...They say that flying is 10% skill and 90% judgement. As much as I truly dislike Monday-morning quarterbacking, I am curious as to why he did not elect to return to SLC as things seemed to start heading "south" not long after takeoff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-47491280789755297472021-06-16T22:01:58.077-04:002021-06-16T22:01:58.077-04:00NTSB = They are all political hacks! Every single ...NTSB = They are all political hacks! Every single one of them! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-6153954326186808492021-06-16T21:56:17.596-04:002021-06-16T21:56:17.596-04:00"it is a tragedy that is best left to the NTS..."it is a tragedy that is best left to the NTSB". Whatever you do, don't put your trust in the NTSB. They just hired a woman to run the place who has zero experience in aviation related matters. Smaze17https://www.blogger.com/profile/12984567503133576976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-68073649897627891482020-01-31T23:41:13.780-05:002020-01-31T23:41:13.780-05:00Arizona pilot wonder how much IMC he actually hand...Arizona pilot wonder how much IMC he actually hand flew it. Like most of these something catches you by surprise distraction trying to troubleshoot lot of load on single pilot in a jet. I live in Arizona 300 days of sun clear sky's that's why I just fly VFR only you can call me a "hobby pilot". I think simulator training is a must where they can run you though these types of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-7653005806469769792018-04-24T15:43:03.719-04:002018-04-24T15:43:03.719-04:00Is 8 hours/month for the previous three months of ...Is 8 hours/month for the previous three months of this PIC a decent amount of currency in a craft like this? That seems low to me, a single engine land VFR pilot with about 60 hours and holding. I haven't turned a prop in years as I did not have this amount of time to spend on my way to IFR and didn't think I'd be able to keep current with less time/month than that as the PA 28-160 IAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-79953541105367510112018-04-21T18:19:28.909-04:002018-04-21T18:19:28.909-04:00As captain on a C172, I concur with all the previo...<br />As captain on a C172, I concur with all the previous comments especially those made by former and current airline pilots and most definitely those made by folks that live north of the Mason/Dixon line because they are God's gift to aviation. Carry on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-16563973657766567242017-11-20T12:01:00.595-05:002017-11-20T12:01:00.595-05:00I agree with the "hobby" pilot comments....I agree with the "hobby" pilot comments. As much as people can say the people involved here were proficient, passionate and had recurrent training, it is clear there is a major difference in kind between those flying private for a common purpose with their business and those flying as occupational pilots to earn a living.<br /><br />AF 447 aside (and there was mostly blame on the systemAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-70066649560076713682016-05-22T20:08:50.098-04:002016-05-22T20:08:50.098-04:00At this time the controller issued the pilot a no-...At this time the controller issued the pilot a no-gyro turn to the left to avoid precipitation, after which the airplane's airspeed was observed to fluctuate significantly.<br /><br />'airspeed' should be 'groundspeed'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-81318311803439771222016-02-11T12:42:49.678-05:002016-02-11T12:42:49.678-05:00Steven the final report will not be out for a whil...Steven the final report will not be out for a while. A year to 18 months is the norm. You can find the report when it is out at NTSB.GOV The preliminary report is out now. The cockpit area looks pretty intact and I am hopeful the NTSB can come up with a definitive probable cause for this accident.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-46221986877805440452016-02-10T13:04:05.133-05:002016-02-10T13:04:05.133-05:00When and where can we find the final NTSB/FAA acci...When and where can we find the final NTSB/FAA accident report? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02113793353689106964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-56849018503018426992016-02-10T12:04:00.132-05:002016-02-10T12:04:00.132-05:00This plane came apart keep in mind. The fact that ...This plane came apart keep in mind. The fact that if that engine starting pulling away from the main fuselage, all kinds of bells and whistles are going to be happening considering how much electrically is powered from the turbines. As to whether the break up started occurring before or after the initial issues is anyone's guess. If you look close to those photos you can see also how one of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-18545523248329272402016-02-04T19:15:17.124-05:002016-02-04T19:15:17.124-05:00I have also flown with Mr. Baker several times as ...I have also flown with Mr. Baker several times as has JH. Personally, I sat 4 hours with him as we waited a rain storm out over northern Arizona as it just was not worth the risk. I know that none of you knew him like I. He was my mentor for 10 years, and lifetime friend. I had just left his employment the month before, but we talked often and I still sought his advice. He was experienced,Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02113793353689106964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-82956101598845402922016-01-31T22:59:50.256-05:002016-01-31T22:59:50.256-05:00Subsequent to reading NTSB Identification: WPR16FA...Subsequent to reading NTSB Identification: WPR16FA054, I am of the opinion that the post that begins "Thanks JH for your input" is spot on. It appears that there was a major distraction that lent to the pilot having major challenges flying the aircraft.<br /><br />It is much to early to tell. We will all have to see what is said in the final report.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-53005986521393788292016-01-31T22:39:52.877-05:002016-01-31T22:39:52.877-05:00The real issue here is about risk management. Ther...The real issue here is about risk management. There are a lot of variables to consider. The debate about SP and crew operations will go on for as long as the insurance companies will allow SP operations. The other topic to explore might be complacency. Generally, aviation on all levels is safe. But unfortunately, incidents and accidents do, and will happen. <br /><br />So sorry JH that you lost Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-70175386181535158082016-01-31T22:06:21.434-05:002016-01-31T22:06:21.434-05:00NTSB Identification: WPR16FA054 so far considers t...NTSB Identification: WPR16FA054 so far considers this to be "an airframe in-flight breakup while maneuvering at altitude"; "at the time of recovery, the airplane's left engine had not been located..."<br />I know he was not flying the line and had a day job, but "hobby pilot" when the NTSB states "The airline transport rated pilot..."?<br /><br />ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-70287013871868266702016-01-31T15:42:33.331-05:002016-01-31T15:42:33.331-05:00Thurmond Munson certainly launched a long standing...Thurmond Munson certainly launched a long standing attitude about rich guy, hobby pilots flying jets. Even now, it's a common misperception that SP operations are less safe than crewed operations but the accident record doesn't support that conclusion. Here is an article that looks at the issue (and there are many more out there:)<br /><br />http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-5405635243373519162016-01-31T15:13:09.655-05:002016-01-31T15:13:09.655-05:00Thanks JH for your input. Well taken. We are all a...Thanks JH for your input. Well taken. We are all aware that in aviation you cannot refute the fact that sometimes you do not get a second chance. Additionally, IMC in the flight levels is very different than IMC during approach operations. It can get extremely busy on an arrival. Hence, two qualified pilots up front are a lot safer than one. Especially when there are distractions, abnormal or Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-31176495947178237442016-01-31T01:23:19.777-05:002016-01-31T01:23:19.777-05:00Don Baker and I were close personal friends and we...Don Baker and I were close personal friends and we shared a hangar together in Tucson. I want to address the "Hobby Pilot" comments made in this thread. First, Don trained every six months at Flight Safety. He had a very safety oriented attitude. In his past, he successfully landed a P210 without a scratch after it threw a rod over central AZ. Another time, many years ago with hisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-8896964013701603052016-01-25T22:56:20.955-05:002016-01-25T22:56:20.955-05:00I've read about so many of these small jet cra...I've read about so many of these small jet crashes, the more I read the more I wonder if the FAA needs to mandate a fully automated flight control system. Make it like driving a car and leave the rest up to computers. Then mandate a full parachute system so if all else fails you can float the plane to the ground. I know it sounds draconian but it's just tough reading about such fine DarkMathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15359321085346149894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-34515370341309747692016-01-24T15:31:15.199-05:002016-01-24T15:31:15.199-05:00Another ATP and 525/S guy checking in. The above c...Another ATP and 525/S guy checking in. The above consensus about the GEN switches is correct: Either GEN off bus, whether by failure or switch, will show on the annunciator panel. It's also pretty difficult to miss the pitot/static/AOA anti-ice before takeoff, as that will give you a whole slew of lights too. Not impossible, but unlikely.<br /><br />I think we all know how it feels to get tooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-22977655914449708332016-01-23T21:48:56.051-05:002016-01-23T21:48:56.051-05:00I agree with the two comments immediately above th...I agree with the two comments immediately above this. I am a private pilot who files an MU2 and one has to set personal minimums as a "hobby pilot". In my case my personal minimums are are basically VFR minimums at origination and destination. If around higher terrain then 2000 feet ceiling is a personal minimum I set. Getting into the soup seconds after takeoff is best left to theAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com