tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post1998119611189759936..comments2024-03-28T21:15:11.065-04:00Comments on Kathryn's Report: Learjet 35A, N880Z: Fatal accident occurred December 27, 2021 in El Cajon, San Diego County, CaliforniaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger244125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-17400135224113564992022-11-09T23:56:44.980-05:002022-11-09T23:56:44.980-05:00Flabob! Also similar to KSZP, Santa Paula, with h...Flabob! Also similar to KSZP, Santa Paula, with hill to the south and just to make it extra hairy, Santa Ana winds.FlyGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02648673049921652580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-30105397347405729172022-09-17T05:23:34.615-04:002022-09-17T05:23:34.615-04:00Medical pilots often fly over 14 hour duty day lim...Medical pilots often fly over 14 hour duty day limit if On Call too .<br /><br />I was medical pilot required to be On-Call at 7 AM to 7 PM ready to taxi out in 30 minutes notice of a flight .<br /><br />FAA Letter of Opinion from FAA Legal Council requires On-Call to be part of and included in total of 14 hours Duty Time .<br /><br />If I had been On-Call at 7!AM but not been called by 1 PM, I Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-60691850274276101212022-01-25T16:19:23.620-05:002022-01-25T16:19:23.620-05:00It is not break out and good luck. When you PLAN ...It is not break out and good luck. When you PLAN a circling maneuver you have a plan. No pilot is figuring it out after breaking out. If the plan doesn't work out, you miss and try again. This crew forced the issue and physics caught up with them. Sad, but will happen again and again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-75932441610312391982022-01-23T08:28:49.152-05:002022-01-23T08:28:49.152-05:00Yeah, right. Obviously not a pilot or human.Yeah, right. Obviously not a pilot or human.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-18285122844785328612022-01-21T22:23:58.230-05:002022-01-21T22:23:58.230-05:00NTSB prelim shows them overflying field and enteri...NTSB prelim shows them overflying field and entering a downwind at 400 AGL. In a Lear. At night. With mist. About 500 below the top of the terrain on final. I'm jus' sayin'...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756372638733298816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-79888624261436100102022-01-13T09:15:53.431-05:002022-01-13T09:15:53.431-05:00Arthur Alan Wolk has been doing this for over 40 y...Arthur Alan Wolk has been doing this for over 40 years so you're a bit late to the party!! BTW, he's a pilot too!Deanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10957974483195442327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-26503575280715689982022-01-12T09:45:59.725-05:002022-01-12T09:45:59.725-05:00NTSB has completed the preliminary report; very in...NTSB has completed the preliminary report; very interesting about the power lines.<br /><br />https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/east-county-news/ntsb-report-plane-hit-power-lines-before-crash-that-killed-4-in-el-cajon<br />Perseidgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04156259390666569979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-87981223101218751522022-01-12T09:12:44.108-05:002022-01-12T09:12:44.108-05:00Thanks for your honesty. Some controllers are also...Thanks for your honesty. Some controllers are also pilots and may feel a need to help out if they see a bad situation developing. I always felt the TEB tower guys should have told that Lear crew to GO Around. It was clear that they were too close to make a successful turn for Runway 1. I have done that approach, and you need to start your turn as to go over the stadium,or just south of it. Those FAP333https://www.blogger.com/profile/01600776436787853992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-36115449053181800242022-01-12T07:45:33.742-05:002022-01-12T07:45:33.742-05:00Night time, get-home-itis, classic approach turn s...Night time, get-home-itis, classic approach turn stall / early incipient phase of spin. in the end, gravity took over. Very sad. I;m sure the crew was good and professional, but humans make mistakes, forget to crosscheck, and we have another avoidable mishap.Mike Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07323710466302796932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-15978091077237161932022-01-11T16:21:56.955-05:002022-01-11T16:21:56.955-05:00Preliminary report is out.
https://data.ntsb.gov/...Preliminary report is out.<br /><br />https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/104445/pdf<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-28050942200377689552022-01-11T11:16:20.395-05:002022-01-11T11:16:20.395-05:00What are your initials?What are your initials?Imbdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985942419950734173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-1827957174500909592022-01-10T13:07:34.278-05:002022-01-10T13:07:34.278-05:00....nice thought, but the pilot(s) killed 2 innoce.......nice thought, but the pilot(s) killed 2 innocent nurses. They did nothing heroic whatsoever. JWChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03371532261091574674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-89264946441753591682022-01-10T01:42:50.809-05:002022-01-10T01:42:50.809-05:00I used to fly with that pilot, and I was at her fu...I used to fly with that pilot, and I was at her funeral.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-67783957272890089752022-01-09T23:33:48.907-05:002022-01-09T23:33:48.907-05:00Flying bank checks at night back in the day, if yo...Flying bank checks at night back in the day, if you divert, you’ve got some explaining to do. That was the culture. One stormy night we lost one of our A/C. It’s hard to imagine that we were actually used to flying blind with no radar thru cells. I thought things would be different at the Regionals when I got hired there. Other than now having radar, It wasn’t different, regarding the culture. Imbdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17985942419950734173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-12431471444290062042022-01-09T13:21:30.468-05:002022-01-09T13:21:30.468-05:00Training. Specifically lack there of. DMMSTraining. Specifically lack there of. DMMSDBR1990https://www.blogger.com/profile/08567397509552575015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-31940047472867775732022-01-08T14:59:47.574-05:002022-01-08T14:59:47.574-05:00Not sure why a missed is so taboo. Last year I was...Not sure why a missed is so taboo. Last year I was flying commercial into a city in the Midwest and the captain calmly pull the power, pitched up and we went around as he explained the approach wasn't stabilized to his 100+ passengers and that we would be a few minutes delayed because we had to try again. A big jet that costs tens of thousands per hour to operate. And he went around without MarcPilotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-51423416021319192902022-01-08T13:41:19.886-05:002022-01-08T13:41:19.886-05:00As pilot, we must learn from the mistakes of other...As pilot, we must learn from the mistakes of others. None of us have the time or luck necessary to make them all ourselves. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-61766527056754764602022-01-08T13:21:50.813-05:002022-01-08T13:21:50.813-05:00Flying from the left seat it is simply easier to k...Flying from the left seat it is simply easier to keep the airport in sight while turning left. When circling right it is best to let the right seat pilot fly the plane while the left seat pilot monitors instruments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-28058615010780832712022-01-07T15:57:39.290-05:002022-01-07T15:57:39.290-05:00As a law graduate, these posts are wonderful resou...As a law graduate, these posts are wonderful resources for the purposes of training.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-9252280890230250222022-01-06T11:02:53.135-05:002022-01-06T11:02:53.135-05:00Getthereitis did them in. It doesn't matter ho...Getthereitis did them in. It doesn't matter how long the runway is if you never get there. It's the psychology of "It won't happen to me". Having safe personal minimums and strictly adhering to them would have prevented all these comments and heartbreak for the families and friends of the deceased. It was preventable. What's more troubling is that numerous very similar ocre07https://www.blogger.com/profile/18070564946294664641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-58594287938760057852022-01-05T21:41:55.949-05:002022-01-05T21:41:55.949-05:00Yes I agree with you 100 percent,he panicked when ...Yes I agree with you 100 percent,he panicked when he saw the mountain in front of him and tried to pull back the wheel,hit the throttles and bank hard left to miss the mountain and to line up with the center line all at the same time,but was flying to slow and stalled Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04272108654754895312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-37516894523260667172022-01-05T11:03:08.500-05:002022-01-05T11:03:08.500-05:00It may offer consolation to ascribe noble behaviou...It may offer consolation to ascribe noble behaviour to the deceased, but the Lear was a falling rock once Bernoulli cancelled his contract with those stubby wings; its path was controlled only by gravity.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756372638733298816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-8381343035745247352022-01-04T20:07:01.929-05:002022-01-04T20:07:01.929-05:00Low time pilots attempting a visual procedure in m...Low time pilots attempting a visual procedure in marginal conditions. What could go wrong?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12273955964851560952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-39074195858125800602022-01-04T14:51:37.342-05:002022-01-04T14:51:37.342-05:00Apologies if this has been addressed above. I hav...Apologies if this has been addressed above. I have not had time to read every post.<br />Long story short, regardless of how or why they got to the position, I figure as they began a left turn to base, being well below Rattlesnake and only a mile or so south of the mountain, the Ground Prox probably started yelling "Terrain, Terrain, Pull Up", startled them half out of their wits. TheyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-47135714951818156652022-01-04T13:17:35.292-05:002022-01-04T13:17:35.292-05:00I believe that in his final moments he realized th...I believe that in his final moments he realized that the plane was in a full stall and the controls were ineffective.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com