tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post1621413764804177311..comments2024-03-26T09:35:29.969-04:00Comments on Kathryn's Report: Cessna 177 Cardinal, N29615: Accident occurred October 30, 2021 near Parker County Airport (KWEA), Weatherford, Texas Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-48867980207222144152021-11-05T17:33:47.858-04:002021-11-05T17:33:47.858-04:00"C-177s have bladder style fuel tanks."
..."C-177s have bladder style fuel tanks."<br />No, they have aluminum fuel tanks.<br /><br />"There have been numerous fuel exhaustion incidents because of collapsed bladders."<br />Not in 177s since they don't have bladders.<br /><br />"I won't fly a C-177 more than 3 hours no matter what the POH says."<br />Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-3477252276754862962021-11-05T08:47:21.566-04:002021-11-05T08:47:21.566-04:00Been flying a 1977 C177-B since 1989. Nothing wron...Been flying a 1977 C177-B since 1989. Nothing wrong with the -B design. The earlier models were underpowered. I'd rather fly a Cardinal than a Skyhawk, although there's certainly nothing wrong with Skyhawks. MaggieLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02149938787901398511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-73274303654323554392021-11-03T10:02:02.946-04:002021-11-03T10:02:02.946-04:00As a professional investor, I like to look at big ...As a professional investor, I like to look at big but subtle clues in the market. One easy way to know whether the industry thought that Cessna’s story and fixes were true or whether the regulators and plaintiffs’ story was true is to look at valuations. The failure of the aircraft from its last year of production, everything being fixed, to hold or increase their value relative to inflation and Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-2983214040915422112021-11-02T22:32:19.079-04:002021-11-02T22:32:19.079-04:00I flew every model of the Cardinal when I was a st...I flew every model of the Cardinal when I was a student pilot including the RG. Never had a bad landing with the stabilator. It also made the transition into flying a Cherokee easier as a student pilot.<br /><br />I also flew a late model Cardinal from SoCal to Atlanta and with the long range tanks I only needed 3 fuel stops enroute. The plane was almost too comfortable for a long flight.sagebrushnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-55790820651875301062021-11-02T21:41:55.132-04:002021-11-02T21:41:55.132-04:00Why not give the folks who look at KR postings som...Why not give the folks who look at KR postings some sourced info about the 177 design problems and what was done? Several articles provide some background, much better than continuing with just opinions. Each link below contains some info about the troubles and resolutions.<br /><br />https://www.cessnaflyer.org/cessna-singles/cessna-177/item/83-cessna-cardinal-the-cardinal-s-sins.html<br /><br /Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-4797812143807309542021-11-02T15:46:45.549-04:002021-11-02T15:46:45.549-04:00I was part of a regulatory agency involved in that...I was part of a regulatory agency involved in that Cardinal program debacle back in the day. I have to agree to some extent with RP. The deaths of several accomplished aviators was not just “unfortunate” nor the engineering that screwed up without cause, just as with the 737 MAX. There is a limit to how much those situations can be re-characterized for the sake of polite or comfortable discourse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-58707294860104172482021-11-02T14:53:43.322-04:002021-11-02T14:53:43.322-04:00C-177s have bladder style fuel tanks. There have b...C-177s have bladder style fuel tanks. There have been numerous fuel exhaustion incidents because of collapsed bladders. I won't fly a C-177 more than 3 hours no matter what the POH says.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-64421196601958975132021-11-01T20:21:59.268-04:002021-11-01T20:21:59.268-04:00@RelPoster - I'm old enough to remember when p...@RelPoster - I'm old enough to remember when people could discuss design shortcomings, upgrades, unfortunate happenings and resolutions without adding "fraudulent design", "hoped for short memories", "ten foot pole" and other rage-baiting to juice up the exchange.<br /><br />If you want to convey information, stick to the tech facts. Nobody at Cessna wanted to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-33680321234362376892021-11-01T19:38:55.093-04:002021-11-01T19:38:55.093-04:00The reason they had to drop the model was that sal...The reason they had to drop the model was that sales never recovered, let alone being able to replace the 172. The reason those sales never recovered is because there were a lot of angry pilots, families, court cases, and regulators, sinking the program's reputation beyond what anyone wanted to touch with a ten-foot pole, no matter how many corrections were made to the fundamental design. Reluctant_Posterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04105567381756693009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-10772774249198300982021-11-01T19:13:45.762-04:002021-11-01T19:13:45.762-04:00Bench seat, 1968 model, flying three kids on the b...Bench seat, 1968 model, flying three kids on the bench seat was okay back in the day if weight and balance wasn't a problem. FAA clarified all that in 2012 after kids got ejected in a 2009 accident where the pilot, six adults and seven children perished in an eight seater.<br /><br />Shared belt still allowed if conditions are met, per below:<br /><br />https://www.federalregister.gov/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-33251885304673658662021-11-01T19:08:55.743-04:002021-11-01T19:08:55.743-04:00"It was a fraudulent design to begin with, as..."It was a fraudulent design to begin with, as exposed by NASA after multiple accidents with no good explanation other than being unable to perform to the POH."<br /><br />The 177 Cardinal was supposed to replace the 172 Skyhawk. Its only real design issues were the fully moving horizontal stabilizer and high speed NACA 6400 series airfoil. There were problems with pitch control in the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-14363743218970879742021-11-01T18:50:21.146-04:002021-11-01T18:50:21.146-04:00The Cardinal has 4 seats just like the Skyhawk, bu...The Cardinal has 4 seats just like the Skyhawk, but that doesn't mean you can't have a kid in your belted lap so long as the W&B checks out. If that was indeed the case is it irresponsible to not have a child in a dedicated lapped seat? Of course. But that doesn't change the fact that the aircraft CAN seat five or even six people with two lightweight adults and small children in Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-70304199703060762672021-11-01T14:48:20.964-04:002021-11-01T14:48:20.964-04:00It's a four place aircraft, what is wrong with...It's a four place aircraft, what is wrong with people???Bahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09367541661976952137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-3759404989371607312021-11-01T14:19:24.041-04:002021-11-01T14:19:24.041-04:00It was a fraudulent design to begin with, as expos...It was a fraudulent design to begin with, as exposed by NASA after multiple accidents with no good explanation other than being unable to perform to the POH. It looks like this was just another GA engine-out situation, though.Reluctant_Posterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04105567381756693009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-86979459642446159412021-11-01T09:36:53.288-04:002021-11-01T09:36:53.288-04:00> Generally a 4 place a/c
Perhaps generally, b...> Generally a 4 place a/c<br /><br />Perhaps generally, but there is a child seat option, and the FAA does allow multiple people to sit under one seat belt. More information is available from the Cardinal Flyers website.<br />Keith Petersonhttps://www.cardinalflyers.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-66121376729601417612021-11-01T07:29:07.401-04:002021-11-01T07:29:07.401-04:00Track:
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