tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post1616598599503267986..comments2024-03-28T21:15:11.065-04:00Comments on Kathryn's Report: Cirrus SR20 GTS, N62WR: Fatal accident occurred June 18, 2021 at Conway Municipal Airport (KCXW), Faulkner County, ArkansasUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-30866694831212327182021-07-07T20:17:32.577-04:002021-07-07T20:17:32.577-04:00True, but this pilot still had functioning power, ...True, but this pilot still had functioning power, all the way back around. The initial comment that presumed turnback on power loss did not turn out to be the scenario.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-88083205474008435562021-07-06T12:58:57.521-04:002021-07-06T12:58:57.521-04:00I have performed turnbacks in the RAF Hawk T1A to ...I have performed turnbacks in the RAF Hawk T1A to a T&G numerous times in my military career (more than 25 times). We used a minimum airspeed (vice altitude) to ensure adequate energy level. Even with this extensive experience, I would NOT try a turnback in a GA airplane. Here's the thing, unless you practice it all the time, you don't know you're going to make it (or not) mpmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06873242627894935688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-9971254213878029672021-07-05T23:14:15.056-04:002021-07-05T23:14:15.056-04:00I took a bug down the pitot just after rotation an...I took a bug down the pitot just after rotation and lost my a/s on an early flight with an instructor onboard. I said "Oh No!!" He said "Big Deal....pitch and power" I learned a powerful lesson that day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-45001277966964892302021-07-05T10:11:00.946-04:002021-07-05T10:11:00.946-04:00I think the big thing is, we aren’t used to reject...I think the big thing is, we aren’t used to rejecting takeoffs. We all say we’re prepared to do it. I’d say we’ve all had an experience where we question something on the takeoff roll and continue anyway, despite not being 100% certain. I know I’ve never rejected a takeoff. You have to be prepared to actually do it. Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15478871466714699271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-66824215329947717102021-07-05T10:08:14.772-04:002021-07-05T10:08:14.772-04:00Exactly how I do it. Take a step back, get a good ...Exactly how I do it. Take a step back, get a good general view of the plane, just walk around, look for anything hanging off or leaking or obvious damage. Sometimes you miss the forest for the trees. And I’ve been thinking about this accident more. How do you even get off the ground without taking the pitot cover off? “Takeoff power set, oil pressure in the green, airspeed is… not alive. Abort.”Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15478871466714699271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-3816520531843657442021-07-02T20:03:15.909-04:002021-07-02T20:03:15.909-04:00Smart! The last thing I do before I hop in my pla...Smart! The last thing I do before I hop in my plane is what I call my 'last chance check' ... I stand about 10 feet in front of my plan and do a slow circular walk around the plane looking for anything that I may have missed on my pre-flight that may either embarrass me or even kill me.S Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09920797630653854987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-79194153928607120092021-07-02T19:49:19.834-04:002021-07-02T19:49:19.834-04:00An experienced long time pilot who took off with t...An experienced long time pilot who took off with the pitot cover on. A mistake that any of us could make. Good reminder to all of us that we may not be as good at handling systems failures/issues as we think. Very sad, condolences to the family.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-83193054982272033792021-07-02T18:56:16.852-04:002021-07-02T18:56:16.852-04:00My condolences to the family.
"The most impo...My condolences to the family.<br /><br />"The most important safety device in any cockpit is a well-trained pilot", so that panic doesn't set in easily.<br />If this was really about the pitot cover and as others have commented, it is no big deal, and I wonder if that's really the reason at all. One of my very experienced instructors practiced exactly that with me in a Super Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-61815318770780973362021-07-02T18:03:19.262-04:002021-07-02T18:03:19.262-04:00Agreed! Power set...checked...Airspeed alive...ev...Agreed! Power set...checked...Airspeed alive...every time!S Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09920797630653854987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-82591468929599997892021-07-02T18:02:07.455-04:002021-07-02T18:02:07.455-04:00not a "flippant and ignorant comment about li...not a "flippant and ignorant comment about life insurance" when a needed "Support pledged to this Go Fund Me will help cover the funeral expenses and ongoing support of Zach’s family, as he was the sole provider of income for his wife and children."<br />gretnabearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17532199082129778356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-37148755622717040092021-07-02T08:37:52.129-04:002021-07-02T08:37:52.129-04:00Zach was an experience pilot starting at age 16. ...Zach was an experience pilot starting at age 16. He was IFR qualified and had a check ride in the past 10 months. He had started training the this SR a few months ago.<br />The covered pitot should not have been an issue for a pilot with his experience. The question I have is why he even took off. I look at my airspeed on the roll, if it is not "alive" at 40 I will abandon the Cameron Younghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11625931222579674113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-53932577462329051982021-07-02T07:22:00.162-04:002021-07-02T07:22:00.162-04:00I always do a final walkaround after my preflight....I always do a final walkaround after my preflight. This will now include the pitot cover. I call it my suicide prevention check. Perhaps this guy was used to flying using George. There’s no reason to crash because you left a pitot cover on. Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15478871466714699271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-51599251736195258242021-06-30T18:24:20.120-04:002021-06-30T18:24:20.120-04:00Difficult to understand why he didn't pitch fo...Difficult to understand why he didn't pitch for shallow climb and make a broad circuit that would bring him in straight from way out so he could get a stable approach established. Sad outcome.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-62518636748487063902021-06-30T17:44:12.212-04:002021-06-30T17:44:12.212-04:00Prelim says pitot cover was on.
https://data.ntsb...Prelim says pitot cover was on.<br /><br />https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/103289/pdf<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-47882804419860922092021-06-30T11:59:26.308-04:002021-06-30T11:59:26.308-04:00https://www.apstraining.com/resource/the-incipient...https://www.apstraining.com/resource/the-incipient-spin-recovery/<br />gretnabearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17532199082129778356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-67028971730782773722021-06-30T09:23:10.731-04:002021-06-30T09:23:10.731-04:00Gretnabear has nailed it. You want to be a fighte...Gretnabear has nailed it. You want to be a fighter pilot (?), get a Cirrus.<br />I used to fly a P-51D in the 70's (Lou IV), many times. The Cirrus airplanes were more demanding, from a longevity point of view. Lovely incipient stall/spin characteristics.Gaffsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02084231299122111480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-5508263364382619692021-06-29T22:33:08.494-04:002021-06-29T22:33:08.494-04:00Anybody who claims they "stalled an inch off ...Anybody who claims they <i>"stalled an inch off the runway"</i> flying pitch and power doesn't have the insight to know that their imaginary story makes no sense. Was that Little Billy's Uncle Ted flying his Cherokee behind enemy lines?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-26341275331058764722021-06-29T22:26:19.476-04:002021-06-29T22:26:19.476-04:00I forgot to remove the pitot tube cover once on an...I forgot to remove the pitot tube cover once on an RV-7 after my preflight was interrupted by an admirer. I realized it shortly after takeoff but continued my flight to my destination 200 miles away using GPS. This is not a life or death situation if one doesn't panic.Bryannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-67777454040425786562021-06-29T14:11:30.245-04:002021-06-29T14:11:30.245-04:00Use your GPS groundspeed to fly the plane? Did yo...Use your GPS groundspeed to fly the plane? Did you really suggest that? That is a good way to kill yourself. Fly it back by pitch/power was a much better recommendation. Had a wacked out pitot/static failure in a Cherokee once, flew the plane with pitch/power around the pattern, kept the power in over the numbers, just an inch off the runway it stalled at an indicated 90Kts! Glad I flew via Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-79286030910475111282021-06-28T16:56:05.681-04:002021-06-28T16:56:05.681-04:00Anyone between the ages 12 to 18 is automatically ...Anyone between the ages 12 to 18 is automatically an expert at just about every subject. Just ask anyone with teenagers at home.<br /><br />As for this accident, not uncovering the pitot tube is likely not the cause, I’d find that hard to believe with an experienced pilot. It was a stall into a spin, no doubt. One thing for certain, it’s a tragic loss. I’ll be sending the family my donation.Leohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01754612542735454220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-27022916039151521632021-06-28T15:11:37.840-04:002021-06-28T15:11:37.840-04:00There's something like a Youtube expert??There's something like a Youtube expert??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-20995413888080121872021-06-28T09:51:00.584-04:002021-06-28T09:51:00.584-04:00That "local hangar talk" pitot cover sto...That "local hangar talk" pitot cover storyline also included a belief that the pilot was a low time student. When the pilot's history and ratings became known, the question became why wouldn't he be able to use displayed GPS ground speed, pitch and power to manage his return.<br /><br />The preliminary report will clear all that up. Will be another sad example of inattention to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-1602556182721006842021-06-27T13:50:59.141-04:002021-06-27T13:50:59.141-04:00One of the Youtube experts is making the claim tha...One of the Youtube experts is making the claim that the pilot did not uncover the pitot tube prior to takeoff.<br /><br />https://youtu.be/JRXpMH6oGv8?t=577Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-54545441404966751092021-06-27T07:26:00.996-04:002021-06-27T07:26:00.996-04:00The crash appears to have occurred after once arou...The crash appears to have occurred after once around the pattern, not during a turnback made shortly after rotation.<br /><br />Flightaware managed to log four ADS-B data points for the flight. The first and last data points in the track are at opposite ends of the field.<br /><br />Examining the ADS-B data to understand the Airport Director's comment that the pilot turned the plane as thoughAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-53654780655223056042021-06-25T17:23:37.111-04:002021-06-25T17:23:37.111-04:00There’s no turn back in the Cirrus. You either re...There’s no turn back in the Cirrus. You either reach CAPS deployment minimum AGL (500’ in my G2) or you put it down more or less in front of you.Kennethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16169913695764689966noreply@blogger.com