tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post1537038352305610595..comments2024-03-28T21:15:11.065-04:00Comments on Kathryn's Report: Cessna 337 Super Skymaster, N143JB: Fatal accident occurred April 20, 2022 near Whiteman Airport (KWHP), Los Angeles County, CaliforniaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-91244212620656192502022-05-04T23:19:03.203-04:002022-05-04T23:19:03.203-04:00Yes, similar to this other skymaster crash almost ...Yes, similar to this other skymaster crash almost a decade ago. The pilot lost one engine, but it wasn't until he cycled the gear that the drag caused him to stall it into powerlines. http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2021/06/loss-of-engine-power-partial-cessna.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-18871201851240913602022-05-04T18:41:36.078-04:002022-05-04T18:41:36.078-04:00Not much info in the preliminary report.
https://d...Not much info in the preliminary report.<br />https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/104976/pdf<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-45463999833743533242022-04-27T05:59:06.245-04:002022-04-27T05:59:06.245-04:00The 75 count includes crashes distant from Whitema...The 75 count includes crashes distant from Whiteman. Any crash that originated from, or was enroute to Whitemen triggers the association. <br /><br />This takeoff crash in Flagstaff, for example. Whiteman was the destination, so crashing in Flagstaff on takeoff goes into the 75 count:<br /><br />https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/29096/pdf<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-51019051041124622292022-04-26T23:52:32.715-04:002022-04-26T23:52:32.715-04:00They were using confusing wording, but what they m...They were using confusing wording, but what they meant was in the history of aviation, 75 crashes have been related to Whiteman airport as of 2020. This is probably fairly typical for most airports of the age and level of usage as Whiteman, and is merely designed to to shock the public. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-69946008240680925742022-04-26T11:48:10.421-04:002022-04-26T11:48:10.421-04:00Loss of one AND gear doors acting as spoilers? Bad...Loss of one AND gear doors acting as spoilers? Bad recipe.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15756372638733298816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-55243373030015080252022-04-25T20:27:09.734-04:002022-04-25T20:27:09.734-04:0075 crashes since 2020 - Really?? What kind of cra...75 crashes since 2020 - Really?? What kind of crashes are they counting? Agree, you can't go cheap on aircraft maintenance -0 ever. Little doubt this is the game developers play and it is ugly. Love the comparison to Metrolink - not only are they hazardous at the tracks, but they spew out plenty of diesel exhaust. This really puts things in perspective. Oh and SMO no longer sells 100LL,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-67225766662686474032022-04-25T17:59:33.523-04:002022-04-25T17:59:33.523-04:00It's rare in SoCal to not see several dilapida...It's rare in SoCal to not see several dilapidated, possibly abandoned, aircraft at every airport. IYK has what looks like the wreckage from a crash on the side of the runway, although I'm sure the real story on that is far more boring. PTV has what might be a Piper Pacer with the fabric hanging in rags. WHP has a very storied T-6 Texan abandoned on the field. APV has a whole lotta Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-530120667869414182022-04-25T14:28:24.946-04:002022-04-25T14:28:24.946-04:00Unfortunately those grants don't seem to be en...Unfortunately those grants don't seem to be enough to stop corrupt city politicians in Santa Monica and San Jose from moving forward to be very close to closing important and iconic airports like KSMO and KRHV. Also, look what that disgusting criminal mayor Daly did to Meigs field in Chicago. FAA fines didn't deter him from breaking the law one bit. We need harsher penalties to stop Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-40534518282266153912022-04-25T09:21:18.490-04:002022-04-25T09:21:18.490-04:00Mo, I agree. I would not approve the aircraft for ...Mo, I agree. I would not approve the aircraft for return to service, just indicate in the logbook that I gave the owner a list of discrepancies. Dr. Manarii Tanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13581871066927818709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-25409631227831617012022-04-23T23:40:44.681-04:002022-04-23T23:40:44.681-04:00As an A&P I cannot force the aircraft owner to...As an A&P I cannot force the aircraft owner to do anything. If I was conducting an annual the most I could do is not sign it off. He was well aware of the issues with his aircraft and chose not to address them.Mohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03883750879013298504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-85137935414643114212022-04-23T02:58:07.560-04:002022-04-23T02:58:07.560-04:00FAA grant terms often provide a barrier to closing...FAA grant terms often provide a barrier to closing that stymies developers. Here is a news clip:<br /><br />"Los Angeles County accepted $234,000 in federal Airport Improvement Program grants for Whiteman Airport in 2020. In accepting the grants, airport owners agree to continue operating the airport for at least 20 years from the date of receipt, an FAA spokesman said."<br /><br />&Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-34845365824670293342022-04-22T19:49:45.051-04:002022-04-22T19:49:45.051-04:00A bunch of ridiculous statements from the corrupt ...A bunch of ridiculous statements from the corrupt politicians trying to profit off closing this airport.<br /><br />"<i>Pending confirmation of its departure, the frequency of these incidents should warrant an immediate closure and investigation over the private operations at Whiteman Airport out of respect for the lives of the victims, their families and our community.</i>"<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-91475370536761818232022-04-22T18:51:13.067-04:002022-04-22T18:51:13.067-04:00Lots of drag with gear out at mid cycle, doors in ...Lots of drag with gear out at mid cycle, doors in the breeze.<br /><br />Looking at this guy in the cockpit hand pumping the gear up on the Mil version, seems like a sure way to loose control if doing that while near to the ground:<br /><br />https://youtu.be/T9unsCllGQY?t=39<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-60413424555859135992022-04-22T15:46:32.259-04:002022-04-22T15:46:32.259-04:00The name in the database as the registered owner o...The name in the database as the registered owner of N143JB is shown as the manager of 7CA1 Abraham Ranch Airport, for which there is an "airport for sale" listing in his name in trade-a-plane. <br /><br />Could be a case of lagging registration after sale to a new owner if selling off the Abraham Ranch Airport was due to giving up flying.<br /><br />https://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-45380530137263433862022-04-22T14:27:36.220-04:002022-04-22T14:27:36.220-04:00Unless annual…it’s the PICs job to determine airwo...Unless annual…it’s the PICs job to determine airworthiness. Basically all you can do out of annual (as a AP/IA) is get proof of you stating the defect and filing it away for safekeeping and the owner/operator takes it from there whether or not they address it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10703450306315553318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-23927282618547773552022-04-22T08:24:45.184-04:002022-04-22T08:24:45.184-04:00A marginal condition airplane should attract the a...A marginal condition airplane should attract the attention of the airport manager and FBO, particularly when the "Re-envision Whiteman" public relations push is trying to close the field.<br /><br />If the advocates of closing Whiteman can justifiably claim that mechanics know of marginal condition aircraft at the field that shouldn't be flying, but mechanics, pilots, FBO and Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-49994307253459534702022-04-22T07:41:01.028-04:002022-04-22T07:41:01.028-04:00To a developer, GA airports are placeholders. Over...To a developer, GA airports are placeholders. Over decades, suburban development gradually reaches and surrounds what had originally been a relatively remote location. When the airport is the last open space, a developer exercises their political connections to take it.<br /><br />Being city or county owned, there is always a path of influence that allows the developer with connections to obtain Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-44602158277121543342022-04-22T03:09:50.749-04:002022-04-22T03:09:50.749-04:00betting in his last few moments he wishes he wasnt...betting in his last few moments he wishes he wasnt so cheap and low budget. aviation demands dollars to keep the things from crashing. go cheap and you'll wish you spent every dollar you had.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-84761233455262579582022-04-22T00:40:02.653-04:002022-04-22T00:40:02.653-04:00Thanks Anon. Helpful to know the covert influence ...Thanks Anon. Helpful to know the covert influence behind a politician.Tom Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08123852453636098400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-54982646523548803222022-04-22T00:37:53.622-04:002022-04-22T00:37:53.622-04:00Hope you share that with the NTSB.Hope you share that with the NTSB.Tom Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08123852453636098400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-37548691267018671522022-04-22T00:12:18.940-04:002022-04-22T00:12:18.940-04:00@Anonymous: Whiteman is NOT a CITY airport, it is ...@Anonymous: Whiteman is NOT a CITY airport, it is property of the COUNTY of LA, so there is no easy way for MR or this dubious "Pacoima Beautiful" organization, which is not at all transparent who's behind it and its activities, to shut down the airport. <br />Bitbeisserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07749347600185986446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-49483190820664988332022-04-21T23:09:33.035-04:002022-04-21T23:09:33.035-04:00I think you're right about the stall / spin. T...I think you're right about the stall / spin. The aircraft doesn't look inverted to me but it's so wadded up it's hard to say for sure MikeLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17016462438630782612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-73619750639419833682022-04-21T20:00:23.597-04:002022-04-21T20:00:23.597-04:00Forget the housing crisis in California (all self-...Forget the housing crisis in California (all self-inflicted to be sure). What's up with a political hack supporting defunding of law enforcement yet wants to shut down a city airport that rakes in tax dollars? Oh wait that's right: there's something in it for HER. And people wonder why cities like LA, Chicago, Atlanta, and NYC are so f'd up in corruption and out of control crime. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-46311571032938944632022-04-21T17:40:06.840-04:002022-04-21T17:40:06.840-04:00I worked on that aircraft at Whiteman. The owner ...I worked on that aircraft at Whiteman. The owner was very very low budget. I had to go out with a battery cart on several occasions so he could start his aircraft. That 337 was in terrible condition. Mohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03883750879013298504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-12407961953396878522022-04-21T16:46:37.393-04:002022-04-21T16:46:37.393-04:00The location of that crash is well without of sigh...The location of that crash is well without of sight of the controller at Whiteman...Bitbeisserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07749347600185986446noreply@blogger.com