tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post1115496765281945053..comments2024-03-26T09:35:29.969-04:00Comments on Kathryn's Report: Loss of Control in Flight: Pilatus PC-12/47E, N56KJ; fatal accident occurred November 30, 2019 near Chamberlain Municipal Airport (9V9), Brule County, South DakotaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger108125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-59177895836672237432024-02-11T08:59:39.779-05:002024-02-11T08:59:39.779-05:00Low time pilot , not IFR rated , snow & ice on...Low time pilot , not IFR rated , snow & ice on aircraft & runway , overloaded by more cargo on return trip , much shorter runway , current icing conditions , Captain Henry says “ There are old pilots & bold pilots but no old bold pilots “ , it was the fool in the left seat that killed almost everyone !!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-36187622723668244132023-02-05T09:53:20.020-05:002023-02-05T09:53:20.020-05:00In one picture, it shows the MOR power lever in a ...In one picture, it shows the MOR power lever in a high power positionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-90891017353907428962023-02-05T09:52:56.328-05:002023-02-05T09:52:56.328-05:00In one picture, it shows the MOR power lever in a ...In one picture, it shows the MOR power lever in a high power positionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-25019162865628464562020-01-21T19:00:51.902-05:002020-01-21T19:00:51.902-05:00Nothing new publicized since local news had report...Nothing new publicized since local news had reported two of the three got back to Idaho around 8 December. Third was still in Sioux Falls hospital at the time. There is a family legacy page on Facebook, but nothing posted there about their recovery progress.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-66821659941514618352020-01-20T12:42:56.598-05:002020-01-20T12:42:56.598-05:00Anyone know how the three pax that survived are do...Anyone know how the three pax that survived are doing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-66690093203391653622020-01-19T21:55:34.020-05:002020-01-19T21:55:34.020-05:00Thank you! I agree, pilots are to reliant on autom...Thank you! I agree, pilots are to reliant on automation. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-5361039689022098382020-01-07T16:30:50.785-05:002020-01-07T16:30:50.785-05:00Pilot would not have been able to go up for a test...Pilot would not have been able to go up for a test hop before noon due to that three hour de-icing activity. Snowfall and deteriorating visibility kicked on at noon and runway had not been cleared of overnight snow/ice accumulation, so not a nice afternoon to practice VFR iced-runway landings. <br /><br />Any pilot-only takeoff from 9V9 accomplished on the accident day would benefit from going onAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-11725410664226399772020-01-07T11:31:00.487-05:002020-01-07T11:31:00.487-05:00Possibly a good choice would have been for the pil...Possibly a good choice would have been for the pilot to take the airplane a couple of times around the pattern in "test pilot mode" to make sure the airplane performance was up to spec after the de-icing. That way only one life would have been risked, plus the airplane would be farther from gross. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-56656345387646349602020-01-05T20:27:29.564-05:002020-01-05T20:27:29.564-05:00@Unknown - The continuous snowfall occurring in th...@Unknown - The continuous snowfall occurring in the period before and during takeoff only needed a few minutes accumulation to significantly reduce lift. Heated fluid applied by for-purpose equipment to the whole aircraft followed by immediate takeoff would be the minimum "smart de-icing". Scurrying around and squirting that plane by hand won't make it pass a visual or tactile checkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-83950857866381053452020-01-04T09:28:32.030-05:002020-01-04T09:28:32.030-05:00Dec 24 commenter: Poor man's deicing = Smart ...Dec 24 commenter: Poor man's deicing = Smart man's deicing. Me, a southerner, I'm scared of the white frozen stuff, rime, clear, glaze, you name it, I'm scared of it. Call me a whimp, but that's the way I feel. I've got boots on one bird, but boots are not going to help in the Chamberlain take off situation here. A few gallons of fluid sprayed on at least the T-tail Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07201624376816539052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-69284276460426028792019-12-29T19:37:59.727-05:002019-12-29T19:37:59.727-05:00"Now I am just a surgeon and definitely not a...<br />"Now I am just a surgeon and definitely not a pilot.<br />However one thing I notice amongst some of my colleagues (and highly successful individuals in general) is an overwhelming sense of self'belief.<br /><br />We all have it to one degree or the other if successful in our respective fields but in some it is taken to the extreme to the point where the expertise experienced in Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-40926203154543569132019-12-29T16:33:08.613-05:002019-12-29T16:33:08.613-05:00Stick Shaker and Stall Warning activated within se...Stick Shaker and Stall Warning activated within seconds after liftoff and continued intermittently until the crash....case closed. Heavy airplane, loaded with ice/snow that was not adequately removed despite the 3 hours work. All accidents are the result of a chain of events and bad decisions....the person who posted parking the airplane in a heated hangar at Sioux Falls had it right...that one Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-12589082092823116282019-12-28T20:12:16.061-05:002019-12-28T20:12:16.061-05:00It appears this plane was in a stall condition fro...It appears this plane was in a stall condition from essentially the moment it left the ground which also means that recognizing said condition immediately and putting the plane back on terra firma from 10ft.AGL would have lead to some frustrated, but very much alive, pilot and passengers.<br /><br />Now I am just a surgeon and definitely not a pilot.<br />However one thing I notice amongst some Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-64083301993346984282019-12-27T10:53:11.589-05:002019-12-27T10:53:11.589-05:00I doubt the company's professional pilot would...I doubt the company's professional pilot would have agreed to carry 12 persons in a 10 person aircraft, especially as his own self would have increased that to 13 persons. THAT may be the very reason the private pilot (amateur) family member assigned himself to the role of pilot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-65968062520495844552019-12-27T10:46:30.980-05:002019-12-27T10:46:30.980-05:00Ducks are smart enough not to attempt to fly in su...Ducks are smart enough not to attempt to fly in such conditions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-49279228758679858252019-12-25T11:42:31.861-05:002019-12-25T11:42:31.861-05:00It is also worth noting that the PC-12 has some re...It is also worth noting that the PC-12 has some really gnarly stall characteristics that provide insight into how the final moments of this short flight played out. These stalls were done at altitude; I can’t imagine seeing this play out from the left seat (or anywhere else, for that matter) at 500 ft AGL. Only in-flight breakups at altitude scare me more. <br /><br />PC-12 Stalls: https://TAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-82347889289992534502019-12-25T11:26:54.425-05:002019-12-25T11:26:54.425-05:00Being from a “winter state,” one of the most impor...Being from a “winter state,” one of the most important factors I think about is runway condition. Snow can hide ice, and it looks like both were present in precipitation in the 24 hours prior to the accident flight. The following NOTAMS were issued just prior to the crash:<br /><br />9V9 11/010 9V9 <b> RWY 31 FICON(Field Condition report) 3/3/3 100 PCT 2IN WET SN OBS AT 1911301816. </b> TAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-80852608803028891482019-12-25T11:08:42.653-05:002019-12-25T11:08:42.653-05:00Kirk made a terrible mistake. Terrible, terrible l...Kirk made a terrible mistake. Terrible, terrible lapse in judgment, but it does not make him a terrible man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-28180873289521799752019-12-25T02:35:56.267-05:002019-12-25T02:35:56.267-05:00anonymous said "The flight director HAS to be...anonymous said "The flight director HAS to be properly set up and the aircraft has to be IMMEDIATELY flown into the flight director after takeoff. Hesitation, sloppiness, doubt, fear, all can be fatal"<br />Seriously, if you need a FD to fly IFR you should NOT be a pilot. I get so sick of this. Stop using crutches and fly IFR (hard) with no FD or AP. Avionics these day are making sixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07041883196779870756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-22594303362448063032019-12-24T11:18:43.914-05:002019-12-24T11:18:43.914-05:00Poor-man's deicing with RV potable water antif...Poor-man's deicing with RV potable water antifreeze and IPA done thoroughly can produce a clean airplane for takeoff in improving weather conditions. That works when the accumulation is not going to continue or re-occur after the cleaning effort is completed. <br /><br />The expectation that it will be possible to make an airplane flyable this way is a trap to fall into when weather is not Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-43330689779805650562019-12-24T08:50:16.767-05:002019-12-24T08:50:16.767-05:00What WAS available was a Wal-Mart that has RV anti...What WAS available was a Wal-Mart that has RV antifreeze, isopropyl alcohol, and a $9 pump-sprayer (poor-man's deicing fluid). There are three Wal-Mart stores within a 1-hour driving radius of Chamberlain Municipal Airport. I'm curious if this would have saved their lives. EVERY pilot knows that even FROST on the wing can significantly reduce lift. Yet another easily preventable tragedy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-7977696867589367042019-12-23T20:38:21.411-05:002019-12-23T20:38:21.411-05:00All i can say is Kirk - WTF were you thinking. A ...All i can say is Kirk - WTF were you thinking. A flight sim pilot knows better than to take off in those conditions. Unbelievable how bad this guy's judgement was on this day.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-70264246446092325562019-12-23T19:32:33.497-05:002019-12-23T19:32:33.497-05:00ADM is contributing, for certain. The evaluate por...ADM is contributing, for certain. The evaluate portion of ADM should also be exercised during pre-trip planning. Imagine for a moment that you are the family PIC planning this winter trip:<br /><br />One set of choices for this fight is for the corporate pilot to be along as PIC, with first day's flight dropping off pax at 9V9 and taking the airplane to Sioux Falls (FSD) where corp pilot getsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-68922584154343051322019-12-23T16:15:21.335-05:002019-12-23T16:15:21.335-05:00@ our European friend above:
- Identifying single...@ our European friend above:<br /><br />- Identifying single pilot IFR ops allowed by part 91 is not part of the probable cause. Does it increase pilot workload? YES. Cause planes to crash, no. At best, it would be a contributing factor as the PIC no doubt had his hands full<br />- Lack of oversight by the FAA and ATC? I don’t think you understand much about aviation in the US (or at all). There TAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6060827553081940333.post-27344368497245472752019-12-22T19:01:21.879-05:002019-12-22T19:01:21.879-05:00european comment here
probable causes - combinati...european comment here<br /><br />probable causes - combination of:<br />- primary<br />- single pilot ifr ops (!) allowed by faa part 91 rules (political pressures).<br />- contributing<br />- lack of oversight by faa / atc for this type of flights (who cares attitude)<br />- single engine aircraft<br />- no proper de/anti-icing<br />- exceeding passenger capacity ( W&B Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com